What is the difference between a Flat Earther and a Creationist?

[Polymath257]

One of the problems is that tides are the result of *differences* in the amount of gravitational force and not the actual amount of such forces. So, the moon pulls on water closer to the moon slightly more than it pulls on the center of the Earth. And it pulls on the center of the Earth slightly more than it pulls on water on the opposite side of the moon. It is those differences that produce the tides.

 

[Polymath257]

So subduction zone was wrong then. If he or she were right all gravity would go down towards the moon of mass, and not towards the Earth.

Um, the direction to the center of the Earth *is* down. Why would you think the moon is 'down'?

 

[sooda]

So subduction zone was wrong then. If he or she were right all gravity would go down towards the moon of mass, and not towards the Earth.

Have you ever been to a planetarium or any first rate natural history museum? I am sorry you lack a decent education.

 

[Polymath257]

Oh my ~ I am perceived stupid by people, whatever shall I do? The self-proclaimed intelligent have judged! Am I going to eternal gravity hell?

I'm not sure that you are stupid. Tragically misinformed is a better description. And example of our horrible educational system, quite likely.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Um, the direction to the center of the Earth *is* down. Why would you think the moon is 'down'?

Perhaps active cognitive dissonance. She appears to be trying not to understand.

 

[Uncommon Sense]

So by this model.... there would be tides only on roughly half of the Earth at a time and no tides on the opposing half?

 

[sooda]

So by this model.... there would be tides only on roughly half of the Earth at a time and no tides on the opposing half?

You don't understand the model either. Extreme high tide is lined up with lesser tides elsewhere.

 

[Polymath257]

So by this model.... there would be tides only on roughly half of the Earth at a time and no tides on the opposing half?

No. There are high tides on the side towards the moon and directly opposite. The locations half way between will have low tide.

There is an additional effect from the sun.

 

[Uncommon Sense]

An easy way to test this.

What would happen to a ball dropped in a vacuum? how about a ball dropped in an atmosphere of xenon (which is heavier than air)?

Do you care to make predictions?

An easy way to test this.

What would happen to a ball dropped in a vacuum? how about a ball dropped in an atmosphere of xenon (which is heavier than air)?

Do you care to make predictions?

That is irrelevant to locality since Xenon is all but nearly gone in our atmosphere.

What would happen if I put a piece of paper on a book and dropped them both?

A lot of those experiments use sneaky phrases such as “neglecting or ignoring air pressure.”

I mention dropping a ball in our local environment and that has nothing to do with a vacuum or with xenon.

 

[sooda]

No. There are high tides on the side towards the moon and directly opposite. The locations half way between will have low tide.

There is an additional effect from the sun.

She'll never understand that.

 

[Polymath257]

That is irrelevant to locality since Xenon is all but nearly gone in our atmosphere.

So? We can construct a vessel containing xenon and drop a ball inside that vessel and measure how fast it falls.

Care to predict what will happen?

We can also take a vessel and remove much of the air in it, creating a vacuum. We can drop a ball inside of that. Care to make a prediction?

What would happen if I put a piece of paper on a book and dropped them both?

Good question. Care to make a prediction of what would happen inside of a vacuum container?

A lot of those experiments use sneaky phrases such as “neglecting or ignoring air pressure.”

And we can test what happens when such can be neglected by constructing containers with a vacuum inside.

I mention dropping a ball in our local environment and that has nothing to do with a vacuum or with xenon.

And I am trying to show that the atmosphere isn't the dominant effect.

 

[Uncommon Sense]

No. There are high tides on the side towards the moon and directly opposite. The locations half way between will have low tide.

There is an additional effect from the sun.

Water is diamagnetic ~ energy from the sun and moon can just as easily cause high and low tides without gravity.

 

[Uncommon Sense]

So? We can construct a vessel containing xenon and drop a ball inside that vessel and measure how fast it falls.

Care to predict what will happen?

We can also take a vessel and remove much of the air in it, creating a vacuum. We can drop a ball inside of that. Care to make a prediction?



Good question. Care to make a prediction of what would happen inside of a vacuum container?



And we can test what happens when such can be neglected by constructing containers with a vacuum inside.



And I am trying to show that the atmosphere isn't the dominant effect.

Density and atmospheric pressure are the effects.

No need to create an entirely new and different scenario. Our locality is not a vacuum.

 

[Uncommon Sense]

You don't understand the model either. Extreme high tide is lined up with lesser tides elsewhere.

So the sun as massive as it is it not pulling the earth or moon towards it ~ nor is the Earth pulling the moon towards itself?

 

[Uncommon Sense]

Perhaps active cognitive dissonance. She appears to be trying not to understand.

You’re the guy who stated the direction of gravity is down. And yet somehow you contradict yourself. And now others are applying your wrongfulness towards me. It is how most of you guys pretty much roll.

 

[Uncommon Sense]

You don't understand the model either. Extreme high tide is lined up with lesser tides elsewhere.

Why, subduction zone stated the direction of gravity is down. If he were accurate ~ all of the gravity around the moon would be going down towards its mass and none towards Earth. You don’t seem to be correcting him? Why so. Why are you applying his wrongfulness onto me?

 

[Audie]

Perhaps proactive cognitive dissonance. She appears to be trying not to understand.

fickstit

 

[sooda]

Why, subduction zone stated the direction of gravity is down. If he were accurate ~ all of the gravity around the moon would be going down towards its mass and none towards Earth. You don’t seem to be correcting him? Why so. Why are you applying his wrongfulness onto me?

Why, subduction zone stated the direction of gravity is down. If he were accurate ~ all of the gravity around the moon would be going down towards its mass and none towards Earth. You don’t seem to be correcting him? Why so. Why are you applying his wrongfulness onto me?

You don't understand what he wrote.

 

[Uncommon Sense]

fickstit

Welcome back to the party ~ have anything to add?

 

[Subduction Zone]

So by this model.... there would be tides only on roughly half of the Earth at a time and no tides on the opposing half?

What that shows is that tides would be strongest when the Moon is directly overhead or underneath. We would have to go through the math and I do not think that you are ready for that yet. First you should work on simpler ideas of why things fall on the Earth. Or on the Moon for that matter.