Is sexuality a choice?

[stvdv]

Unfortunately, we're often left with no choice other than to defend ourselves. The response I usually get from "why do you even care, can't you just leave us alone" is along the lines of "no, because we love you and don't want you to burn forever," which is of course horse s***.

Yes, this reply I also got quite a few times. What they actually state with this, is "total lack of Love and empathy", and "abundance of arrogance"
My response was based upon my experience that these people are too full of themselves, so they will never change their way
And, like with narcissists, the best solution, most experts say, on personal level is to play the NO CONTACT card
IF nobody talks to them anymore they will be alone with their miserable negativity

When we have 'make America straight again' parades and anti lgbt protests outside of UK schools, I think its time to start attacking these beliefs rather than deflecting them.

I agree to this. I can not imagine we have "make Holland straight again" parades
We just had the Gay Pride in Amsterdam. 500.000 people joining.

 

[Muffled]

Wait, you could choose to be attracted to mean, or you could choose to have sex with men? That's two different things. I really hope I'm not going to have to discuss this again.

In fact, I'm not going to. Please read above if you believe simply having sex with a man makes you gay.

Yknow, it's funny but most atheists manage to avoid sex with their family even without God's law. Is that the only thing that's stopping you?

I believe: both. However I don't usually admit that possibility in public.

I believe It doesn't bother me if a man likes another man but the sex is a sin.

I believe I enjoy being a man who likes sex with females.

 

[Dan Mellis]

I don't believe she is saying that. I believe she is saying that she follows natural bodily and mental functions. That also is a choice.

Of course the action is a choice. But why should people not follow their natural bodily functions as long as it doesn't harm anyone?

 

[Jainarayan]

I could chose to be gay

Do men turn you on, do you get aroused by men? Two possibilities, neither having anything to do with God:

1. No. Then you cannot choose to be gay. Gay means being attracted to and aroused by the same sex. Gay is not a sex act. There are many people, men and women, who are celibate for one reason or another, but still attracted to the same sex. They don't have sex by choice but they are still gay.
2. Yes. You are homosexual but in denial, as many of us were. Gay men and women can still have sex with the opposite sex. It may be mechanical and requiring a lot of stimulation and fantasizing of the same sex, but it's possible. As the saying goes "a stiff [----] has no conscience".

 

[Jainarayan]

I believe homosexuality is a sin

Which part... being or doing? Is a celibate homosexual a sinner?

 

[Dan Mellis]

I believe: both. However I don't usually admit that possibility in public.

I believe It doesn't bother me if a man likes another man but the sex is a sin.

I believe I enjoy being a man who likes sex with females.

Right, so you're just wrong about people chosing their sexuality. They can choose the sex, but as long as its harmless I don't see why they shouldn't choose that.

Prove sin exists, then prove why anyone should give a damn. Only then do you get to claim gay sex is a sin.

Your daughter is a female is she not? You're evading my point. You said that the reason you chose to not have sex with other men or your daughter is because it's gods law. Given that many people manage to avoid incest without god, does that mean that gods law is the only thing stopping you having sex with your daughter??

I'm not trying to insinuate that you would. I'm just trying to get you to admit that god isn't the only reason you're not in a sexual relationship with another man, or someone in your family. Not that these things can be equated, mind you

 

[Jainarayan]

Been my thing for over ten years now, so I have to take long breaks for it to start actually having any effect now

I know... like adapting to opioids... ya need a larger dose. tumblr and xtube do little for me now.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Good for you. I'd do it for free and there'd be no wrongdoing whatsoever. Are you here to debate or make spurious assertions?

I can debate with no problem.

 

[Dan Mellis]

I can debate with no problem.

Excellent , apologies for the 'tude, I had to take a few minutes away. I got frustrated. Can I ask why you seem to believe that paying for sex and gay sex are both wrong? Because logically, there is nothing inherently harmful about either as long as everyone is informed and consenting.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Excellent , apologies for the 'tude, I had to take a few minutes away. I got frustrated. Can I ask why you seem to believe that paying for sex and gay sex are both wrong? Because logically, there is nothing inherently harmful about either as long as everyone is informed and consenting.

As you know i follow Buddhism and have a general interest in all other religions, so my stance on this topic come from many years as religious. But i want to say it is not wrong to be born as Gay or other forms of sexual gender. it is the act that is seen as not good because it does not lead to getting children. my view of sex is that it is only needed when one going to try to become parents Man and woman that is)

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Oh you poor sex-slaves... forced by desire, who's?

Who else but me?

Who forces you to satiate hunger? To alleviate sleepiness each night?

 

[Polymath257]

Righto, I'm with you yeah I agree. Its also not as simple as male/female attraction... What about androgenous, trans and hermaphrodite attraction...

We do have a lot of different models, e.g pansexual or omnisexual but I think if we were to do away with the prejudice, none of this would ever come up and it wouldn't matter in the slightest haha

The only time I can *see* it mattering is when people are figuring out whether they are attracted to each other. And then all that needs to happen is that they look within and figure it out.

But, for example, I don't like tomatoes. So, I won't order a tomato salad at a restaurant, no matter how much someone else extols about how good it is. In the same way, I won't go to a gay bar if I want to pick someone up or be picked up.

 

[1213]

I'm interested to hear the views of those who think sexuality is a choice - specifically in response to these questions...

Sexuality is probably not a choice, everyone probably has sexuality. That how person uses it and to what person directs it, is a choice.

…then in what world can anyone be justified in sending gay people to hell?

Bible tells eternal life is for righteous.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46


For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

God has given life, so He has right to decide who He allows to live forever. (People don’t give life, people only give birth).

Righteousness is like right understanding, wisdom of the just. I don’t see how person with right understanding could have gay sex, which is what the Bible tells is not ok.

 

[Polymath257]

Sexuality is probably not a choice, everyone probably has sexuality. That how person uses it and to what person directs it, is a choice.



Bible tells eternal life is for righteous.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46


For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

God has given life, so He has right to decide who He allows to live forever. (People don’t give life, people only give birth).

Righteousness is like right understanding, wisdom of the just. I don’t see how person with right understanding could have gay sex, which is what the Bible tells is not ok.

Well, maybe they don't base their morality on the Bible. Maybe they don't believe in a 'eternal life' or 'eternal punishment'.

 

[Dan Mellis]

As you know i follow Buddhism and have a general interest in all other religions, so my stance on this topic come from many years as religious. But i want to say it is not wrong to be born as Gay or other forms of sexual gender. it is the act that is seen as not good because it does not lead to getting children. my view of sex is that it is only needed when one going to try to become parents Man and woman that is)

I agree, it's only needed when people are trying to become parents. But we don't live a life based on pure essentials, we're allowed certain luxuries (like the internet) and I don't see why sex can't be one of them.

 

[Hawkins]

I'm interested to hear the views of those who think sexuality is a choice - specifically in response to these questions...

1: did you choose to be heterosexual?

2: could you choose to be homosexual? Remember, just choosing to have gay sex doesn't make you gay. You have to be attracted to the same sex. That's kind of how it works.

If you answered no to either of these, then sexuality isn't a choice. If sexuality isn't a choice, then in what world can anyone be justified in sending gay people to hell?

Another part of this topic is the whole HIV/Aids thing as a punishment. Why would an all powerful god create a pubishment for a specific group of people, that also harmed people outside of that group? Also, why would he bother? Surely he could just send em to hell when they're done, what difference does it make?

To me, its obvious that either God doesn't exist or he's a raging hateful buffoon... Imagine Hitler, but with an IQ of about 31.

There's no scientific conclusion yet. By God's Law it's a sin. That is, if you have to be a sinner (well all of us are sinners from a certain perspective), you need to repent instead of legalize what you are doing.

A proposed answer is, God created humans as heterosexual creatures at the point of the creation. Since then, humans decided to marry close relatives without approval from God. They even have sex with other homo erectus such as the Neanderthals. Thus humans are genetically corrupted even when it can be concluded that homosexuality is genetic. It's still a sin under God's Law. You can repent and choose to live a low profile life, as all other humans did in the past several thousand years with no complaint. Or you can do whatever but bear in mind that it's only your own preference.

 

[Dan Mellis]

There's no scientific conclusion yet. By God's Law it's a sin. That is, if you have to be a sinner (well all of us are sinners from a certain perspective), you need to repent instead of legalize what you are doing.

A proposed answer is, God created humans as heterosexual creatures at the point of the creation. Since then, humans decided to marry close relatives without approval from God. They even have sex with other homo erectus such as the Neanderthals. Thus humans are genetically corrupted even when it can be concluded that homosexuality is genetic. It's still a sin under God's Law. You can repent and choose to live a low profile life, as all other humans did in the past several thousand years with no complaint. Or you can do whatever but bear in mind that it's only your own preference.

Nope, if you're going to suggest that we legislate the matter then you'll have to prove that 'sin' is a thing. God's law is something that, as far as can be objectively ascertained, is made up by an ancient barbarous culture of humans.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Yes, the existence of bisexuals, of which there are and have been hundreds of millions... These people often tend to keep quiet, and not broadcast their sexuality.

You are mistaken. The question is whether sexual orientation is a choice. Not who you do it with. The homosexual is attracted (mostly exclusively) to their own gender. That describes me. The heterosexual is attracted (mostly exclusively) to the opposite gender. Bisexuals are attracted to both their own and the opposite gender. But none of these made the choice of who they are attracted to.

I can (and have) had sex with the opposite gender, and that certainly is a choice. For the record, blechh! I'd need to be paid more than I'm worth to be bothered again. And also for the record, I've had sex with heterosexual men who, quite frankly, felt the same about me...or worse. So yes, we can CHOOSE to have sex with those who don't attract us, and it will leave us miserably unsatisfied, so why on earth would any of want to do that?

For the true bisexual, I frankly think we should all envy them...twice as many possible partners to choose from, more variety than most of us ever get, and so long as they are enjoying themselves, I don't see the problem.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

There's no scientific conclusion yet. By God's Law it's a sin. That is, if you have to be a sinner (well all of us are sinners from a certain perspective), you need to repent instead of legalize what you are doing.

A proposed answer is, God created humans as heterosexual creatures at the point of the creation. Since then, humans decided to marry close relatives without approval from God. They even have sex with other homo erectus such as the Neanderthals. Thus humans are genetically corrupted even when it can be concluded that homosexuality is genetic. It's still a sin under God's Law. You can repent and choose to live a low profile life, as all other humans did in the past several thousand years with no complaint. Or you can do whatever but bear in mind that it's only your own preference.

You seem to be suggesting that other humans weren't human...homo sapiens, homo erectus, homo habilis, homo neanderthalensis were all human species. But oddly, you seem to equate "God created humans" (presumably meaning sapiens) as meaning that this same God did not create those others (erectus, habilis, Neanderthal, etc.). Do you know who did?

 

[Samana Johann]

Are you going to add to the discussion or just get offensive? Nobody is forced to have sex but they can't choose who they're attracted to and shouldn't be judged for consensual sex regardless of the person. they're doing it with.

Oh you poor sex-slaves... forced by desire, who's? As for rapes there are at least protective laws.

Maybe try to claim and blame a god, tv or your parents, neighbors or your objects... but again, ones choices are ones own. Good and bad like a like