You context is brain damaged. Sorry. That;s like saying not all people to choose to rape are rapists.
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Is sexuality a choice?
- Thread starter Dan Mellis
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Consider people in prison, or people otherwise in a situation where sexual partners are limited (maybe kidnap or living in some cult) and the only other person or people is same sex. After a time they will probably have sexual encounters. This doesn't make them bisexual or gay, it's people acting on sexual desires in a limited context. This is pretty basic behavioural psychology.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
Oh, us lucky human beings! Rejoicing in the wonders of biology!
Seriously, though, sexuality is complex and it is likely a combination of many variables both with voluntary and involuntary factors. We may as well equate it to the concept of free will; it depends on perspective.
There are facinating studies in neuroscience that show differences in brain structure based on sexual preference. So I imagine a good part is involuntary, at least in drive.
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Dan Mellis
Thorsredballs
What I meant is youu could choose to have gay sex even if you were straight. The act itself doesn't change who you are attracted to. There are straight men who star in gay porn videos, for example. They aren't attracted to men, but still choose to have sex with them for cash.
Dan Mellis
Thorsredballs
Does all gay sex result in a disease? No. Having irresponsible sex is wrong. That doesn't even necessarily include unprotected sex - if every man was to get checked before and after each encounter and use protection as appropriate, the disease rate would drop. The simple fact is that gay sex isn't in itself harmful - there are always other factors.
Your comment is proof that being a secularist doesn't automatically mean you're equipped with a bs detector. Try thinking critically about these "facts" before forming opinions around them.
The context in which the OP was talking about was not the same context and example you are giving. His came off as if a person willfully engaged in sex with the same gender then they are not gay, i am saying, that makes no sense.
Then next time perhaps debate like you mean it instead of making unhelpful comments.
Dan Mellis
Thorsredballs
No, because the term 'rapist' is descriptive of someone who has committed rape. The term 'gay' is descriptive of someone who is attracted to the same sex as them. It is not descriptive of what type of sex they have. That's why you find gay men with wives and kids.
Bruh, come on dude. Please tell me you are trolling lol.
"straight men who star in gay porn" you believe and reach the conclusion that you this is most rational and logical to you and i will do the same. I am not trying to change your mind or convince you of anything but, with all due respect, you are not making sense. You can separate the act of rape from the rapists just like you can't separate the act of gay sex from the man.
Dan Mellis
Thorsredballs
It doesn't make them gay. If they choose to do so because they are attracted to them, that attraction makes them gay; not the sex. Otherwise, you aren't gay until you have sex with a man (or straight until you have sex with a woman) which is patently untrue.
"Does all gay sex result in a disease? No"
You are missing the point. Gay sex increase the potential of harm and STDS regardless of how safe you are being. The fact that, has been proven to be harmful and only increases the potential for harm is why i say its wrong. Yes, you can get STDs in other ways but, that does not change the fact and very particular issue we are talking about in this particular context.
"Gay for pay" is a thing although those guys are obviously attracted to men physically to some extent, they still identify as straight and prefer women outside of sex work.
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Dan Mellis
Thorsredballs
No 'bruh', I'm just engaged in critical thinking.
Can you be gay without having gay sex?
Ok so if i replaced "rapist" with "person to engages in sex regardless of intent" make a difference to you? Please stop your word play and linguistic gymnastics to try and prove a point.
You need to learn the difference between "Critical" and "illogical" thinking.
Dan Mellis
Thorsredballs
No, I am not. Irresponsible sex increases the risk regardless of whether its hetero or homo sex. You know what fixes std rates way better than abstinence? Education and sex positivity. That is also a fact. The US does have atrocious STD rates. Way higher that countries with better sex ed and less stigma around the subject.
Samana Johann
Restricted by request
Oh you poor sex-slaves... forced by desire, who's?
Ok all jokes aside from my previous posts and let me get serious.
We know that gay sex has a much higher rate of STDS and that gay sex also increase the chances of STDS. So based off those 2 simple facts i say its wrong. Now, what you are saying or trying to argue is a solution to those facts and why i personally thinks its wrong. The solution is irrelevant to this conversation as part of your OP was "what world can anyone be justified in sending gay people to hell?" my answer is because its wrong. I do not bevel in hell but, if i did i would say because its wrong. Now, if you want to argue other causes of STDs and how education can help and whatnot, that's a whole different conversation.
Dan Mellis
Thorsredballs
No it wouldn't because rape is the act. Gay is not an act. It is an orientation.
Seriously, why is this so hard? Let's try putting it this way.
A man is attracted to other men, but chooses to be with his wife who he is not attracted to but he believes in monogamy, so doesn't go having sex with other men.
A different man is in dire straits, completely broke and is facing starvation unless he sells himself to a dude. He is in no way attracted to men whatsoever.
A third guy forces himself on someone.
Guy 1 is gay, because he is only attracted to other men. This is true even if he never acts on it and has sex with his wife every night.
Guy 2 had gay sex, but isn't gay himself, because he is not attracted to men (and, again, the definition of gay isn't 'someone who has gay sex' but is 'someone who is attracted to the same gender')
Guy 3 is a rapist, because he raped someone and that's what the word rapist means.
Really dude, this isn't hard. Use a dictionary.