When evangelists knock on your door...

[sooda]

Are you talking about JW’s?! It must be businesses. It certainly isn’t house to house! Unless we were invited to come that early.

They do in the South in the summer.

 

[Deeje]

It appears as if they're coming out of the woodwork now....? Supposed to be funny? good grief.....

What amuses small minds....? seriously.

 

[sooda]

Only interested in damage to yourself...not interested that you slandered a whole brotherhood of 8.5 million JW's by spreading that story? Would you like that done to you?

Name the town...how is that going to cause you any more trauma?

Cheraw and Summerville, SC.

 

[Deeje]

Cheraw and Summerville, SC.

He disclosed this to you, did he? I would rather he tell us himself. That way if I send my brothers on a wild goose chase, then I will know that his story is either a complete fabrication, a case of mistaken identity, or the result of a mental aberration.

 

[savagewind]

“Solicitation is a request for something, usually money. If you buy a fancy new house, expect a phone call from the local charity with a solicitation for a donation.

Solicitation comes from solicit, which means "to request," or "to entreat." So solicitation is the act of requesting. There are three kinds of solicitation. One is asking for money, like when someone goes door-to-door trying to collect money for a cause. In law, solicitation means encouraging someone to commit a crime. Solicitation can also mean making a plea to someone with power to grant a request or favor, like your solicitation to the traffic judge to dismiss your ticket.”

solicitation - Dictionary Definition

This doesn’t apply. We ask for nothing.

Are you not requesting the person's attention? You should be or why else would you visit them?

 

[sooda]

He disclosed this to you, did he? I would rather he tell us himself. That way if I send my brothers on a wild goose chase, then I will know that his story is either a complete fabrication, a case of mistaken identity, or the result of a mental aberration.

My experience with JWs was in those towns.

 

[savagewind]

I was actually doing what you were doing...responding to your response to that poster's ridiculous story as if it must be true.......seriously these stories are manufactured garbage. People will eat them up if it gives them some kind of satisfaction to spread this rubbish.

Oh, the irony!

 

[pearl]

What?

What purpose did the Prophets serve?

 

[sooda]

What purpose did the Prophets serve?

They were the conscience of their communities not fortunetellers and Palestine was crawling with them. They had schools for prophets from the time of Samuel.

 

[pearl]

They were the conscience of their communities not fortunetellers and Palestine was crawling with them. They had schools for prophets from the time of Samuel.

Yes they were not fortunetellers, and politically they were advisors. What formed the conscience of the prophet?

 

[SomeRandom]

I was actually doing what you were doing...responding to your response to that poster's ridiculous story as if it must be true.......seriously these stories are manufactured garbage. People will eat them up if it gives them some kind of satisfaction to spread this rubbish.

You must not know many pranksters.
Besides, sometimes people just do silly things. Like my Uncle. He's a nudist but forgot to put on his robe to answer the door once. The poor little old lady JWs were apparently "scandalized." Hell, my mates and I have probably scandalized a few JWs over the years, just by virtue of answering the door after a big night. Nothing like getting preached the "good word" with pizza/chips/vomit in your hair with your friend who's face is covered in sharpie drawings.
For what it's worth, I often politely offered them a share of bacon and eggs.

There was a portion of the video that showed a cytoscan of an anemic patient, post saline infusion, with the red cells that remained in the bloodstream being delivered to the tissues..... and then a scan, post blood transfusion.....what were the results? The red cells were stopped from reaching the tissues due to sludging and the inability of the red cells to be delivered to where they were needed. Did you miss that bit?

Yes. Sometimes complications arise from blood transfusions. Has anyone really claimed otherwise?
Complications can arrive from general anesthetic. That's not a reason to stop wholesale.
Besides, do you even know what all that actually means? I'm not trying to insinuate anything, honest question. I'm an idiot, so the most I got from it was, anemic patient had a bad reaction.

Actually right at the beginning, the warning about the "morbidity and mortality" associated with whole blood transfusion is quite alarming. Watch and listen closely to the clinicians.....the matter of adjusting their attitude towards the efficacy of blood transfusion was "urgent".

Not alarming, just reexamining. That's normal for medical procedures.

They had to do the same with antibiotics, essentially. Because doctors were using them as a crutch too often. Leading to superbugs. Now they're more reticent to prescribe them (maybe they do in America. That medical system is money hungry af.) But they never stopped using them, because they were still useful.

That's just what science does. It constantly reexamines evidence and sometimes that means scaling back or changing the attitude of the people using the tools.
I'm not really seeing the big deal. Sorry.

Thank you. We appreciate that blood is sacred to God and not intended to be shared between one human and another..

Ahh, Deej, you're my fellow human, you have the right to hold your beliefs and not have them infringed upon.
Beneath all the snark, I'm generally a pretty easy going person.

. Blood is as unique as a fingerprint.....and you have no idea what is lurking in another person's body being transferred to yours. The AIDS epidemic of the 80's was spread among hemophiliacs through contaminated blood.

To be fair, the screening process was terrible in the 80s compared to today.

I suppose most everything was. I dunno. Wasn't alive.

Some of the 80s music was cool though. I guess.

Do you know that hospital admission forms ask if you have "ever" had a blood transfusion? Do you know why? Sometimes the problem caused is slow moving and it can be years before it takes effect, and is therefore not associated with the transfusion. Blood is a unique substance.

I don't know if that's true. I essentially grew up in hospitals, never really seen that before. Though generally a patient's medical history is usually relevant anyway. So it wouldn't surprise me.
Meh. Most substances are unique. That's kind of how chemistry works.

Check out these ones. These are cool.

Doctors who now spread the message about the benefits of not having blood based medicine, have seen first hand the patients using non blood patient management, doing better than their transfused counterparts.....why else would they introduce whole hospitals dedicated to non-blood medicine? We have already seen that it saves them money....not that it makes them money....big difference.

Deej, buddy, we live in Australia, not America. They don't get big money here, comparatively speaking. Granted they try and lobby for it, but for all it's faults, Medicare more or less keeps the boffins honest.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, thanks for not wasting our literature! That’s thoughtful! But then, you’re just that kinda guy, aintcha .

I hate waste.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

“Solicitation is a request for something, usually money. If you buy a fancy new house, expect a phone call from the local charity with a solicitation for a donation.

Proselytizing is solicitation. You're engaging in sales. That you have a wonky commission structure doesn't change this.

Solicitation comes from solicit, which means "to request," or "to entreat." So solicitation is the act of requesting. There are three kinds of solicitation. One is asking for money, like when someone goes door-to-door trying to collect money for a cause.

... which you're doing. You're trying to make the person into a convert; with that comes a lifetime of tithing. You're just as much trying to collect money as someone selling gym memberships or enrolling people for credit cards.

 

[sooda]

Proselytizing is solicitation. You're engaging in sales. That you have a wonky commission structure doesn't change this.


... which you're doing. You're trying to make the person into a convert; with that comes a lifetime of tithing. You're just as much trying to collect money as someone selling gym memberships or enrolling people for credit cards.

The courts have ruled in their favor.

 

[Deeje]

You must not know many pranksters.
Besides, sometimes people just do silly things.

I have had my share of funny experiences at the door....Aussies have their own brand of humor.

the most I got from it was, anemic patient had a bad reaction.

Actually what you saw was one patient having his life put at risk. So many JW’s have proven consistently that blood is not necessary to save lives....in fact you are more likely to save lives without it....and with no complications.

In Oz we don’t see donors getting paid, but a unit of blood is still expensive. Blood is big business and the dangers are downplayed in order to sustain their profit margins.
If this procedure is said to have a higher rate of “morbidity and mortality” than any other medical intervention, then surely it must be acknowledged by doctors who may be adding unnecessary risks to their patient management....?

It is also obvious that many Australian doctors are adopting America’s greed for profit. Medicare helps but it certainly has its drawbacks.
When we can grow God-given medicinal cannabis in our own garden and make our own medicine for free, then we will be able to say that we have a decent medical system.

Did you watch Pete Evans on Sunday Night? Very interesting.....

 

[sooda]

Yes they were not fortunetellers, and politically they were advisors. What formed the conscience of the prophet?

They were observant and warned the people often when they didn't keep the law.. Most prophecy was written after the fact... and some of it failed utterly.. like prophecies about Tyre and Egypt and the Euphrates river.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The courts have ruled in their favor.

About what?

 

[Deeje]

Proselytizing is solicitation. You're engaging in sales. That you have a wonky commission structure doesn't change this.

More ignorant nonsense. There are no sales and there is no commission. What are you on about?

You're trying to make the person into a convert; with that comes a lifetime of tithing. You're just as much trying to collect money as someone selling gym memberships or enrolling people for credit cards.

We are not trying to convert anyone. We offer information to people who may be interested in what the Bible has to say about the state of the world and if there is a hope for the future. It is offered, never forced. Everything is free. We don’t ask for money....we don’t even have collection plates at our meetings and we do not tithe. All donations are voluntary and none of our elders are paid.

You seem to fuel your hatred on assumptions rather than truth. But I don’t suppose that matters to you....

 

[sooda]

The courts have ruled in their favor.

About solicitation.

 

[pearl]

They were observant and warned the people often when they didn't keep the law.. Most prophecy was written after the fact... and some of it failed utterly.. like prophecies about Tyre and Egypt and the Euphrates river.

That does not answer the question; what formed the conscience of the prophet?