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When evangelists knock on your door...

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
I think that most of those people going door to door are novices or stubbornly self-righteous because after a while, thinking people learn that the door to door work is a whale of a waste of time.
Where I live it's usually one older JW with a younger person who shows up. They must be very accustomed to being turned away quickly, because they act surprised and excited when I start to engage. Typically it's the older of the two who does most of the talking.

And that's one of the reasons I take this approach...perhaps the younger person will realize what's going on and start to question JW teachings. Of course I realize the extreme social consequences that they face for doing so, but I figure it's worth a shot.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Homepage | New System School
www.newsystemschool.org
They have made legal arrangements to be recognized as a private religious school. This is not a home school satellite situation, but a private religious school with a faculty and non-institutional campus arrangement. We are a non-profit, private religious school created for the children of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Many JW's are concerned about the kind of environment that exists in many public schools today. Bullying, bad language, immoral influences, faith destroying science classes that seek to eliminate God from his own creation.....this has resulted in many parents opting to home school their children. Some families combine to home school if their children are similar ages.

If JW schools existed everywhere, we would most certainly send our children there. Even the teachers would be JW's. We then choose what we want to teach our children. If there are questions that arise regarding any problems that challenge our faith, we will address these with Bible principles and sound science, not theoretical musings given to children at school with little actual evidence to support them. Science is not our God. Established science is fully supported by the evidence....theoretical science wants the same acceptance, but they have no actual proof for their conclusions. It could all change tomorrow if some other evidence renders their previous conclusions to be in error.

We would rather teach our children important life skills than subjects that they will never use in their lives. Everyone is educated by someone in childhood.....so when they reach adulthood they can make their own decisions about everything with adult minds. Being raised as a JW does not automatically mean that our children will naturally follow the same spiritual path as their parents....as adults, that is their decision.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Anyone who has a sign out saying "no soliciting" HAS requested that JWs not solicit them to promote their religion.

We agree that a sign should be specific.....if you post a sign that says "No Jehovah's Witnesses" then there is no ambiguity. We do not see our preaching as soliciting because it does not fit the legal definition.
We don't want to disturb those who exhibit hostility....we would rather allow sleeping dogs to enjoy their slumber.

You're initiating the contact. If you only want to talk to people who are happy to see you, let interested people come to you.

We do. Our public witnessing is done on the streets and we do not approach people, but allow them to come to us. We don't shout or use loud speakers.....we believe that God will direct the right people to us. Same as at the door....people will let us know if they are interested in the Bible's message....or not. A simple "I am not interested" is all that is required. If you have a specific sign posted, then we will not bother you at all. Why would we want to invite your stinging rebukes?

You also can't protect the person who raped a child and have them - or their parents - trust you, but that hasn't stopped the Watchtower Society on that point.

Why do you persist with this slander? All organisations with access to children were involved in this problem. It wasn't an easy thing to police because the perpetrators had groomed both the child and their parents and had won their trust. Children were not really believed back then for some reason.

Also, in decades past, child abuse was not considered the serious crime that it is now. Only with the consistent post traumatic stress suffered by the victims, did authorities come to realise how serious it was.

I believe that male judges also did not understand the full ramefications of sexual abuse....it was common among young men at universities to sodomize one another for sexual gratification. It was not seen as anything but 'normal' sexual release when women were not as freely available for sex as they are now.

In times past, the legal system was not sympathetic to victims either, often subjecting the victim to intense cross examination which was more traumatic for them than the original offence in many cases.

There are many factors as to why the problem of child sexual abuse was not handled well in the past....thankfully today, every means to protect children is now in place.

Your statements continue to be short sighted and ignorant. Who could ever expect an intelligent response from that perspective?
I hope the one who judges you applies the same level of judgment as you apply to those whom you seem to despise. I am done with your twisted viewpoint.
 
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Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
I politely explain that I'm a confirmed heathen, & refuse their pamphlet.
(I don't want to trash it...that would be wasteful.)
They cheerfully accept this.
Yes, thanks for not wasting our literature! That’s thoughtful! But then, you’re just that kinda guy, aintcha .
I point to the notice we have on our door stating, 'No cold callers', and shut it again without saying a word.
Hey! That just happened to me last week! Was that you? (Wait...that was a “no soliciting” sign; plus, I was in Alabama (don’t laugh))
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Anyone who has a sign out saying "no soliciting" HAS requested that JWs not solicit them to promote their religion.

“Solicitation is a request for something, usually money. If you buy a fancy new house, expect a phone call from the local charity with a solicitation for a donation.

Solicitation comes from solicit, which means "to request," or "to entreat." So solicitation is the act of requesting. There are three kinds of solicitation. One is asking for money, like when someone goes door-to-door trying to collect money for a cause. In law, solicitation means encouraging someone to commit a crime. Solicitation can also mean making a plea to someone with power to grant a request or favor, like your solicitation to the traffic judge to dismiss your ticket.”

solicitation - Dictionary Definition

This doesn’t apply. We ask for nothing.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Homepage | New System School
www.newsystemschool.org
They have made legal arrangements to be recognized as a private religious school. This is not a home school satellite situation, but a private religious school with a faculty and non-institutional campus arrangement. We are a non-profit, private religious school created for the children of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Wow! I wasn’t aware of it! Thanks.
That’s different, for sure.
I know one thing....it’s not sponsored by the Watchtower.

Some day....by Jehovah!
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Ahh come on. Where’s your Aussie larrikin spirit? ;)
Never be afraid to laugh at yourself. Or you might miss the joke of the century. -Dame Edna Everage.

Mock everything, because life is a cruel joke. And all that, right?

I was actually doing what you were doing...responding to your response to that poster's ridiculous story as if it must be true.......seriously these stories are manufactured garbage. People will eat them up if it gives them some kind of satisfaction to spread this rubbish. :rolleyes:

There are risks? And?
There are risks for removing a rotten tooth. So what? No sensible doctor, no matter how arrogant, will claim that any procedure is without risks. Chemo has risks, should we stop treating cancer too? Like what are you on about? No one says that blood transfusions are 100% safe. Even taking antibiotics could potentially kill you. As can water.

There was a portion of the video that showed a cytoscan of an anemic patient, post saline infusion, with the red cells that remained in the bloodstream being delivered to the tissues..... and then a scan, post blood transfusion.....what were the results? The red cells were stopped from reaching the tissues due to sludging and the inability of the red cells to be delivered to where they were needed. Did you miss that bit? :shrug:

I didn't get that from the video.
There are risks and some transfusions are not necessary. Sure. And? The video is literally called BLOOD STILL SAVING LIVES BUT THERE ARE RISKS.

The video doesn't advocate for the nullification of blood transfusions in the slightest. It just cautions against using it as a crutch. Which I agree with. It doesn't say that people should not get blood transfusions. Since we should be always looking to improve patient care.

Actually right at the beginning, the warning about the "morbidity and mortality" associated with whole blood transfusion is quite alarming. Watch and listen closely to the clinicians.....the matter of adjusting their attitude towards the efficacy of blood transfusion was "urgent".

By the way, my father fought cancer. Without blood transfusions he would have died 10 times over. I had my dad for 10 years longer than I would have with blood transfusions, so I'm probably not the most sympathetic ear to tug.

I appreciate your position and I am sorry for your loss; I have heard many stories about how blood saved a family member.....but I have as many stories of Jehovah's Witnesses who were told point blank that they would die without blood...yet none of them did. How do you know that blood saved anyone's life?
You can have blood as a means to keep people alive for a few more weeks perhaps, in the case of terminal illness.....but if they are only prolonging their suffering, what is the point?


Here is a quick Google search....

https://www.google.com/search?q=pat...ome..69i57.21681j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Take from that what you will....

And I applaud them. If that is your sincere belief, then no blood should flow into your body that is not your own. I would never dream of arguing otherwise.

Thank you. We appreciate that blood is sacred to God and not intended to be shared between one human and another. Blood is as unique as a fingerprint.....and you have no idea what is lurking in another person's body being transferred to yours. The AIDS epidemic of the 80's was spread among hemophiliacs through contaminated blood.

Do you know that hospital admission forms ask if you have "ever" had a blood transfusion? Do you know why? Sometimes the problem caused is slow moving and it can be years before it takes effect, and is therefore not associated with the transfusion. Blood is a unique substance.

Doctors who now spread the message about the benefits of not having blood based medicine, have seen first hand the patients using non blood patient management, doing better than their transfused counterparts.....why else would they introduce whole hospitals dedicated to non-blood medicine? We have already seen that it saves them money....not that it makes them money....big difference.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
I'll say. One of the worst experiences of my life.

Name the town and I'll let my brothers know of this travesty being perpetrated in Jehovah's name.....if you don't name the town, we'll know that you are not interested in the truth of the matter....:rolleyes: and spreading this story on a public forum with absolutely nothing to corroborate your story is a bit of poor form IMO.
 
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LiveBetterLife

Active Member
Name the town and I'll let my brothers know of this travesty being perpetrated in Jehovah's name.....if you don't name the town, we'll know that you are not interested in the truth of the matter....:rolleyes: and spreading this story on a on a public forum with absolutely nothing to corroborate your story is a bit of poor form IMO.

Did it ever occur to you that I carry intense trauma over the event?

Pretty insensitive, uncaring and lacking in compassion on your part.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Did it ever occur to you that I carry intense trauma over the event?

Pretty insensitive, uncaring and lacking in compassion on your part.

Only interested in damage to yourself...not interested that you slandered a whole brotherhood of 8.5 million JW's by spreading that story? Would you like that done to you?

Name the town...how is that going to cause you any more trauma?
 

LiveBetterLife

Active Member
Only interested in damage to yourself...not interested that you slandered a whole brotherhood of 8.5 million JW's by spreading that story? Would you like that done to you?

Name the town...how is that going to cause you any more trauma?

That's between me and my therapist. Please stop bullying me over it.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
I knew this was made-up by that woman, when I read this:
A woman there said she'd repeatedly asked JW's who knocked to not return.

Then, we would. (It might take two requests, depending on who is at your door [like a young Witness]....but not “repeatedly.”)

I tell you, you never know who you’re dialoguing with, online.
Reminds me of that song “Online” by Brad Paisley...funny stuff!
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
That's between me and my therapist. Please stop bullying me over it.

So divulging the name of the town, so that this travesty that supposedly happened to you, can clear the name of 8.5 million people is of no importance to you? This is not a matter of bullying...this is about justice. Its about slander.

All I am asking for is the name of the town...not your name.....OK?
My brothers will want to see for themselves who is bringing reproach on our brotherhood.

Or should I be smelling a rat.....? o_O
 

JJ50

Well-Known Member
The JWs seem to have got the message that they are not welcome in our neighbourhood, I haven't seen any polluting the place for about a year.
 

Niblo

Active Member
Premium Member
'Please put your bibles away, boys, you won't be needing them today.

'I think I ought to tell you that I'm a warlock...and every full moon we dance - naked - around the Sacred Fire...up there in Treorchy cemetery'

And - after placing a gentle hand on one JW shoulder:

'Feel free to join us....any time you like.'

Said by my father (then a Catholic in his seventies) to three eager lads who just happened to call at an inconvenient time.
 
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