Fear of homosexuality

[sojourner]

So because i was born in to a Christian family and personally converted to Buddhism you say God will condemn me? Maybe this view is one reason i did leave Christianity behind

God applauds any sincere efforts to foster relationship with God. I say that as a Christian.

 

[sojourner]

Interesting to think of the extent to which "jesus" helped
to bring about the utter destruction of israel.

Jerusalem was sacked, but Israel remained. Jesus was not the reason for the dissolution of the nation. Anti-Semitism was the reason. Palestine wanted a country. That was reversed in the 1960s.

 

[sojourner]

They told people to repent of their sins, and their sexual immorality and turn back to God.

Jesus said, "Turn your lives around, because God's imperial rule has come near." I'm not aware of his railing against the sins of homosexuals in that announcement.

Isaiah Chapter 1 likens the Israelites to “Sodomites” and a “brood of evildoers,” whose “hands are full of blood.”

"Sodomite" is a citizen of Sodom. The sin of Sodom was inhospitality, according to Judaic Law.

Jeremiah Chapter 2 refers to them as “a wild donkey in heat.” Other prophets call them “adulteresses” and liken their behavior to prostitutes. So vivid were the descriptions of the abominations of the Israelites that the Bible records God himself bringing judgment upon judgment upon them, so that even their children were dashed against the rocks.

Nothing in the bible rails against homosexuality. There are injunctions against homosexual acts of some sort, but there are cultural reasons for those injunctions.

No wonder you despise Bible believers. You're trying to legitimize sin

I'm a bible believer. My family and most of my friends are bible believers. I don't despise bible believers. I call out those who mistreat the texts by reading them literalistically, then twisting them to their own political ends. Those people say they're bible believers, but I have trouble reconciling how they can mistreat the bible so and then say they believe in it.

I'm not legitimizing sin. The sin is in condemning people for being who they are, and I've spoken out against that.

you get hostile and get yourself in an uproar when anyone challenges that from a Biblical standpoint.

Huh. You have yet to challenge anything I've said from a biblical standpoint. And I'm not hostile. I've not called anyone a derogatory name. I've not threatened anyone. I've called out inequitable behavior. If you think that's "hostile," perhaps you should go back to the kiddie pool.

That's why you get blow back from conservatives, because IMO your theology is of the devil himself.

I get blowback from conservatives for calling out their behavior toward others. Your opinion of my theology is neither asked for, nor important.

 

[Audie]

Jerusalem was sacked, but Israel remained. Jesus was not the reason for the dissolution of the nation. Anti-Semitism was the reason. Palestine wanted a country. That was reversed in the 1960s.

No diaspora?

And I certainly not say "jesus was the reason...."

Thomas Paine was not the reason for the American
revolution, either. Contributationally-wise, though,
I'd say there was a significant role

 

[sojourner]

No diaspora?

And I certainly not say "jesus was the reason...."

Thomas Paine was not the reason for the American
revolution, either. Contributationally-wise, though,
I'd say there was a significant role

The Diaspora had nothing to do with Xy. The Xtian movement in Jerusalem died quickly. Greece, Asia Minor and Rome became the hotbed for Xy. They didn't fall.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I myself have ALREADY crossed over unto eternal life in Christ

The NT contains warnings throughout that many will be deceived and led astray. For all you know, you will appear before the narrow door only to be told "the owner of that house" doesn't know you or where you came from (Luke 13:22-27). There are many, according to Jesus, who will come before him asserting what you are, only to be told "I don't know you. Depart from me, ye that work inequity." (Matthew 7:21-23). Only god actually knows, and a humble Christian admits it.

 

[Audie]

The Diaspora had nothing to do with Xy. The Xtian movement in Jerusalem died quickly. Greece, Asia Minor and Rome became the hotbed for Xy. They didn't fall.

Ok,well, I will look further.
But your having misread what I said
about jesus and turn it into "Jesus was the reason for"
makes me dubious of your scholarship;

 

[sojourner]

Ok,well, I will look further.
But your having misread what I said
about jesus and turn it into "Jesus was the reason for"
makes me dubious of your scholarship;

Perhaps if you were clearer about your comment? You said:

Interesting to think of the extent to which "jesus" helped
to bring about the utter destruction of israel.

I replied that I didn't think Jesus did help in that endeavor.
You then brought up the Diaspora, to which I replied that Jesus didn't cause the Diaspora.

If you didn't mean that Jesus had a hand in it, perhaps greater clarification of the point you hoped to make is in order? The best scholars can't wade through inconcise statements.

 

[Audie]

Perhaps if you were clearer about your comment? You said:

I replied that I didn't think Jesus did help in that endeavor.
You then brought up the Diaspora, to which I replied that Jesus didn't cause the Diaspora.

If you didn't mean that Jesus had a hand in it, perhaps greater clarification of the point you hoped to make is in order? The best scholars can't wade through inconcise statements.

Could hardly have a hand in what happened decades later

I think he influenced the course of events in divers
ways, including to the romans finally getting fed up

You came up with "caused".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Could hardly have a hand in what happened decades later

I think he influenced the course of events in divers
ways, including to the romans finally getting fed up

You came up with "caused".

Yup. Mel Brooks isn't the first to blame the Jews.

 

[Audie]

Yup. Mel Brooks isn't the first to blame the Jews.

huh? whaddidido?

 

[Spartan]

The sexual orientation, being unknown at the time, could not possibly be addressed. That's just How It Works.

Absolutely and unequivocally I approve of same-sex marriage. A specific liturgy exists for such. I approve of any sexual activity between two consenting adults, that is carried out in a monogamous and committed relationship, and that is an expression of love between them, no matter whether it's homosexual or heterosexual.

God does not approve. But you don't care what God thinks, do you? Gay sex copulations must be protected at all costs.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

God does not approve.

So? He doesn't approve of many things that you are probably guilty of and have no qualms against.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

huh? whaddidido?

I went to the most recent current event (by no means current) of someone going on an ages old rant about "the Jews did this and did that." But, ultimately, if there were no Jesus, there would be no death, and no unfair and wrongly placed blame for his death heaped and piled upon the Jews over the past 2000 years.

 

[Audie]

I went to the most recent current event (by no means current) of someone going on an ages old rant about "the Jews did this and did that." But, ultimately, if there were no Jesus, there would be no death, and no unfair and wrongly placed blame for his death heaped and piled upon the Jews over the past 2000 years.

B4 any other comment, my boyfriend is Jewish.

My understanding is that like some few others, the
Jewish people did not care for roman dominaiton.

And that Jesus, whoever else he was, was taken
to be a rebel by the romans, and executed.

Whether he influenced others to try to rebel,
I dunno; but I thought that was the case.

"No jesus no death" makes no sense to me.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

B4 any other comment, my boyfriend is Jewish.

My understanding is that like some few others, the
Jewish people did not care for roman dominaiton.

And that Jesus, whoever else he was, was taken
to be a rebel by the romans, and executed.

Whether he influenced others to try to rebel,
I dunno; but I thought that was the case.

"No jesus no death" makes no sense to me.

If there were no stories of Jesus, then there are no stories of his death. And none of the ways the influenced future events, such as the Romans getting fed up with the Christians, and Christians blaming Jews for the death of Christ (which has never made any sense to me as Christians needed their Messiah to get slaughtered, and thus they should be eternally grateful to his executioners).

 

[sojourner]

God does not approve. But you don't care what God thinks, do you? Gay sex copulations must be protected at all costs.

I believe God does approve. I couldn’t care less what YOU think.

 

[Jainarayan]

God does not approve. But you don't care what God thinks, do you? Gay sex copulations must be protected at all costs.

Why is God worrying about what I do with my genitals? Doesn't he have better things to do running the universe?

I submit that he doesn't care where Big Jai goes, and who or what Big Jai plays with, or vice versa. I submit that he's more concerned about the affairs of the universe. At least that can be said for the God I worship.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Go tell that nonsense to your pet carp.

John 3:36 and Revelation 21:8, etc., bust your chops all day long.

What, while you're oiling the houseboys?

 

[Spartan]

What, while you're oiling the houseboys?

Not me. That sounds more like what the Sodomites might do.