Activist atheism

[David T]

A good doctor might try to find some way to get the patient breathing again.

My analogy is the crocidiles love to gather and snap and bite and eat each other. An extremely primative creature, with zero social skills merely reacting and always fighting with eaxh other and fighting over food from each other.

No we are humans thats not how we behave right bob. We are like the starling. Graceful many that flow as one in muring patterns that us the starling. We are a many and we are one! We are the manifestation of that spirit in the individual and then the entire group! We have saying as humans that obviously manifesting in our observable behaviours "one body one christ, one god" . Oh boy yea common, clearly understood.

Oh the church is a bright shining example of that i might say a profound bunch there of starlings. No crocidiles there oh no.

So you see i write in the open but what i write is it seen!? I know a starling and i know a crocidile when i see one. I will call you Bob starling for you ard not a crocidile. Crocidiles cant see me only starlings are capable. I fly in the crocidiles blind spot. There i am! The croc an idiot and it cant fly!!! Now the real question can a croc fly? Can we change a croc into a staring? Thats a deep question. But a long time ago it happened. A starling changed some crocs into starlings a bit of a magic trick i say! Beauty was magic, and he spread it around like fairy dust to the crocs eyes. And some saw and they soared as a far as possible for they were one. For they followed the starling with the magic where ever he was. He was the good shepard and they were his flock.

 

[tayla]

And those quotes are exaggerated in themselves and are designed to sow controversy.

I find this very disturbing. It implies that those trying to make a living in the realm of ideas should not be trusted because they taint their ideas with untruth and nonsense designed to capture an audience. It's as if they have adopted the same tactics as the current president of a certain country in order to keep their name continuously in the headlines.

 

[Audie]

Yes, so I see. I shall try to avoid offending and inciting these sensitivities in the future. (Is it proper for me to modify the OP to be less invidious?)

Do I try?
I prefer the lunge for the jugular.

 

[Jim]

I did not design my OP to belittle atheism. As I mentioned, in listening for months to well-known atheists, I keep hearing the kinds of disturbing things I mention. To declare that such things are never stated by these atheists is not helpful or honest -- we can't just sweep things under the rug in defending our viewpoint.

And yes, a few actually hate religion. I'm sorry I didn't use more qualifiers in the OP so as to not offend anyone (is it proper for me to go back and modify the OP to bring it more in line with my intent?)

I would re-write it above the original post, and mark the original and the revision as such. I would describe the problem not as a problem with atheists, but as a concern about people who look to you like they have hostile intentions towards Christians. You could say that you think it’s something for atheists to be concerned about, because some of those people are calling themselves atheists.

 

[Audie]

He is indeed a fearful poster.
And so far, I don't think we're easing his troubles.

Maybe if I said "bloke"or even "blighter" it
would help with the self-analysis?

 

[tayla]

They are trolls trying to sell books like Anne Coulter and her ilk, of course they are going to say outrageous and "controversial" things . It's a game.

I find this very disturbing. It implies that those trying to make a living in the realm of ideas should not be trusted because they taint their ideas with untruth and nonsense designed to capture an audience. It's as if they have adopted the same tactics as the current president of a certain country in order to keep their name continuously in the headlines.

 

[Audie]

Humor is good at soothing the savage inner beast.

Ha. Try it on me, ya rotter.

 

[Revoltingest]

I would re-write it above the original post, and mark the original and the revision as such. I would describe the problem not as a problem with atheists, but as a concern about people who look to you like they have hostile intentions towards Christians. You could say that you think it’s something for atheists to be concerned about, because some of those people are calling themselves atheists.

Even if you'd writtenly it differently, you still can't control where a thread goes.

 

[tayla]

Not at all the case here, though.

What? I have no idea what you are referring to, sorry. (I'm not being facetious, I promise.)

 

[tayla]

You were going on about scientism, people claiming science is their god. So to my call for examples you post that. Ridiculous.

Sorry, I lost the context of the sub-thread. It is nearly impossible to keep track of sub-threads in this kind of forum.

 

[Revoltingest]

I find this very disturbing. It implies that those trying to make a living in the realm of ideas should not be trusted because they taint their ideas with untruth and nonsense designed to capture an audience. It's as if they have adopted the same tactics as the current president of a certain country in order to keep their name continuously in the headlines.

It's useful to ponder the spotlight fallacy.
People give weight to what is easily seen, despite the fact that it's
merely what has been made easy to see. If you'd have read different
quotes, you could have the opposite view. The real world is far far
larger than what the spotlight shines upon. What's thus seen seldom
represents the larger reality.

 

[tayla]

Coulter is an arrogant, self-entitled prick whose judgement has been corroded by unchecked theism. Dawkins is just direct.

Yes, I think your assessment is accurate. The content of the statements matter a lot. Deceiving and lying are not virtues, especially for religious people who claim it to be supremely sinful and evil.

 

[tayla]

They are still around and some of them too vocal. I never encounter criticism of Islam, Judaism or Buddhism of always was Christianity, since Young Earth and fundamentalism made an easy target of God. Most of atheists were prepared and mostly in similar way, Slavery, God's morality due to Canaan, women's issue in Paul's letters, e.t.c. I've seen a lot of debunking prep on line. Of course 6 Days of creation and issues around that theme. Many times they would stop 'debunking 'my views after I have explained that I am Gnostic. Many of them were asking for physical proof of God. I know that they consulted serious scientists because they had to debunk things like QM or scientists who are theists. Many of them liked going in ad hominem mode.

OK, thank you.

 

[Audie]

Yes, I think your assessment is accurate. The content of the statements matter a lot. Deceiving and lying are not virtues, especially for religious people who claim it to be supremely sinful and evil.

Depends ifn you is lyin' for jesus

 

[Jim]

Even if you'd writtenly it differently, you still can't control where a thread goes.

No, but falsely framing it as a problem with atheists guarantees that it can go nowhere but down. But maybe there’s no hope for it. If my forum gods can’t fix it, who can? Maybe I need my whole triad in here. Only, I don’t think @PopeADope does house calls.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, but falsely framing it as a problem with atheists guarantees that it can go nowhere but down. But maybe there’s no hope for it. If my forum gods can’t fix it, who can? Maybe I need my whole triad in here. Only, I don’t think @PopeADope does house calls.

All threads go downhill.
Revoltingest's Law.....
Godwin got it only partially right.
Threads are done for when one invokes not only Hitler,
but also Trump, small penises, the patriarchy, The Truth,
& the running dogs of capitalism.

 

[Jim]

Sorry, I lost the context of the sub-thread. It is nearly impossible to keep track of sub-threads in this kind of forum.

I’ll be repeating myself a lot, so if you miss some of my posts it won’t matter. I’m thinking that there are some things that you’d like some people to do differently, including some atheists. You’re addressing this to atheists because you think that it’s better to start with the weeds in your own back yard. Am I getting this right?

There might not be any hope for it, but if there is, I think it would be in saying something like, “Here are some things I would like to see some people doing differently. I see this as something for all atheists to be concerned about because some of those people are calling themselves atheists.”

 

[ecco]

They (many, several, all, one, blah blah) seem to care quite a bit when I present my views on this forum.

Put a pin in it before your head gets too big. Sometimes we just go out and stomp on ants.

 

[ecco]

If some non-religious humans use emotions and feelings, then please base that in only reason, logic and evidence. No human can do everyday life only using reason, logic and evidence.

Who is saying any humans do this, other than you?

Further look here:
Why do people think that electrons in atoms are tiny beads flying in circles around the nucleus?

https://www.religiousforums.com/thr...around-the-nucleus.222803/page-3#post-6206494
Why should I? Why should anyone waste their time looking at something in a link when you have not bothered to take the time to say how that link supports any of your assertions?

Since I can't wish you a good life, I wish that you don't have one. I am sincere, I wish you a good life.

How about none of the above. I don't need your condescending comments wrapped up in your embarrassed smilies.

 

[tayla]

I’m still wondering if you’re thinking of denouncing religions and debating with some of their followers in Internet forums as a way of helping to improve the world, or to improve some people’s lives.

Yes, I myself wonder why atheists would be interested in ReligiousForums. But likewise, why would adherents of any religion be interested since most/many/some/a few have a different faiths from the others, and even different views within the same faith.