Born again christian

[Faithofchristian]

Just out of curiosity.
Where does people get being a born again christian from.
Seeing there is no where in the Bible about being a born again christian.

How and where do people get this from

 

[Dawnofhope]

Just out of curiosity.
Where does people get being a born again christian from.
Seeing there is no where in the Bible about being a born again christian.

How and where do people get this from

How about John 3:3?

 

[Left Coast]

Just out of curiosity.
Where does people get being a born again christian from.
Seeing there is no where in the Bible about being a born again christian.

How and where do people get this from

The usual citation is John 3:

"Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”



Are you actually curious because you didn't know or is that just a baiting question?

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

The citations have been given, but it is entirely humorous to me that what are almost foundational tenets of a religion/faith can be based on one little citation that seems very much like it was only in there due to wording choice to represent a particular idea or as a metaphor.

"Born again" is something so common and thrown all over the place within certain Christian communities that you would think it was a subject with much depth and meaning. Instead... it is a side-note. A passing mention that somebody, at some point read and thought sounded profound.

So now it is a Christian meme, thought to [nearly] hold the secrets of the universe - when it is probably more equivalent to the rainbow farts of Nyan Cat.

 

[Faithofchristian]

How about John 3:3?

There's nothing there about a Christian being born again.

Christians do however like anything else take things out of it's context in the Bible.

Nicodemus knows all to well that Christ Jesus is not talking about baptism, but something much deeper than baptism.

This why Nicodemus said to Jesus, can a man enter the womb of his mother the second time.
So by this, it's obvious that Jesus is not talking about baptism, but something to do with the womb of a woman.

 

[Faithofchristian]

The usual citation is John 3:

"Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”



Are you actually curious because you didn't know or is that just a baiting question?

If you had notice Nicodemus said to Jesus, can a man enter the womb of his mother the second time, So by this shows it has nothing to do with baptism, but something much deeper than baptism.

Seeing a man is born from the womb of his mother, when was man born the first time?

 

[Faithofchristian]

The citations have been given, but it is entirely humorous to me that what are almost foundational tenets of a religion/faith can be based on one little citation that seems very much like it was only in there due to wording choice to represent a particular idea or as a metaphor.

"Born again" is something so common and thrown all over the place within certain Christian communities that you would think it was a subject with much depth and meaning. Instead... it is a side-note. A passing mention that somebody, at some point read and thought sounded profound.

So now it is a Christian meme, thought to [nearly] hold the secrets of the universe - when it is probably more equivalent to the rainbow farts of Nyan Cat.

Seeing that man being born from the womb of his mother.
So when was man born the first time?

 

[JJ50]

Just out of curiosity.
Where does people get being a born again christian from.
Seeing there is no where in the Bible about being a born again christian.

How and where do people get this from

You obviously haven't read the Bible!

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

You obviously haven't read the Bible!

I think the point (and it is a valid one) is that even if you read a vast, VAST majority of The Bible, you won't find this idea of being, or needing to be, "born again." Note the references to scripture posted in this thread. So far I have seen one. ONE - and it seems to have been just a passing mention - a quick metaphor without much thought behind it. It apparently isn't a very important topic.

 

[JJ50]

I think the point (and it is a valid one) is that even if you read a vast, VAST majority of The Bible, you won't find this idea of being, or needing to be, "born again." Note the references to scripture posted in this thread. So far I have seen one. ONE - and it seems to have been just a passing mention - a quick metaphor without much thought behind it. It apparently isn't a very important topic.

I take much of what is in the Bible, especially the less than credible passages, with a large container of salt.

 

[Left Coast]

If you had notice Nicodemus said to Jesus, can a man enter the womb of his mother the second time, So by this shows it has nothing to do with baptism, but something much deeper than baptism.

Seeing a man is born from the womb of his mother, when was man born the first time?

Rather than do the Socratic back and forth thing, why don't you just tell us your interpretation of the passage? I'm not a Christian so I really have no horse in this race.

 

[Audie]

Just out of curiosity.
Where does people get being a born again christian from.
Seeing there is no where in the Bible about being a born again christian.

How and where do people get this from

What a weird q from one of "faith".
Even a awful alien asian atheist knows the bible well
enough to be able to answer that.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I take much of what is in the Bible, especially the less than credible passages, with a large container of salt.

Yikes. Good luck with that, I guess.

 

[Audie]

The citations have been given, but it is entirely humorous to me that what are almost foundational tenets of a religion/faith can be based on one little citation that seems very much like it was only in there due to wording choice to represent a particular idea or as a metaphor.

"Born again" is something so common and thrown all over the place within certain Christian communities that you would think it was a subject with much depth and meaning. Instead... it is a side-note. A passing mention that somebody, at some point read and thought sounded profound.

So now it is a Christian meme, thought to [nearly] hold the secrets of the universe - when it is probably more equivalent to the rainbow farts of Nyan Cat.

You see the same thing in some J-quote about
"as it was int he time of Noah" to prove that
there was a world wide flood.

"Ya callin' Jesus a liar????"

 

[Audie]

Yikes. Good luck with that, I guess.

Curious-what do you mean, "good luck"? With what?

 

[JJ50]

Curious-what do you mean, "good luck"? With what?

I was wondering that too.

 

[Audie]

I was wondering that too.

Heelllloooo well wisher!

 

[Wandering Monk]

'Born again' and 'new creation' are Jewish notions about converts to Judaism and are connected with the extra-biblical rituals in which a person who converted to Judaism had to be circumcised, then baptized in a mikvah (when he emerges he is reborn, the mikvah being equated with the womb; in this sense he was considered a new creation) then bringing a sacrifice to the Temple.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Curious-what do you mean, "good luck"? With what?

Also @JJ50
I meant Good luck adopting not only the mindset that allows someone to accept claims without sufficient evidence, but then throw on top of that a mindset that views the least significant of that insufficient evidence as overwhelmingly important or profound. Religious thinking, and belief in things that can't be demonstrated and have no presence in reality, is nearly completely backward already - you just added a component of "upside-down" to your thinking as well. So good luck using your particular mind to weed out items you should have no confidence in from those that you should. It sounds like you are going to need it (luck I mean)... A LOT.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Rabbi Yose said: 'One who has become a proselyte is like a newly born child.' Talmud, Yevamot 48b

Being 'reborn' is an idea that Judaism applied to Gentiles who converted to Judaism. They had to be immersed in a mikvah that contained 'living water.' When they emerged they were considered to have been reborn as new creatures.

Additionally, a Jew was reckoned as Jewish if their mother was a Jew. (Based on Ezra 10:2)

I can imagine Nicodemus' confusion. 'How can I convert to Judaism? I am a Jew by maternal lineage!' 'Can I enter my mother's womb and be born again?'