Any like-minded believers out there?

[Audie]

a lot.

To you directly?

But lets get to the meat here. Do you think the
bible is the word of god, so that if he said there
was a world wide flood, then by god there was?

 

[Audie]

I'm disliked by those who I don't agree with. All those sad souls know how to do is insult me.They boot me from their congregations and discussion boards. Why? because I disagree with them and they don't like it!

I'm taught by Scripture. My beliefs are very reasonable. I wouldn't have it any other way.

I am guessing you do more than just "disagree" but
never mind.

Lets see how reasonable you really are.

 

[LightofTruth]

To you directly?

But lets get to the meat here. Do you think the
bible is the word of god, so that if he said there
was a world wide flood, then by god there was?

What does He say?
He says that every living soul wherein is the breath of life died.Except Noah and his family (8 souls)

 

[LightofTruth]

I am guessing you do more than just "disagree" but
never mind.

Lets see how reasonable you really are.

Of course, i contend for the truth of what I believe.
Okay, maybe you can teach me something.

 

[Brickjectivity]

It would be nice to have fellowship with like-minded believers. You know, to encourage one another, and stuff like that. But I've developed an independent spirit.

I have a similar problem, so I understand. At least stick around on RF for a while. You will meet lots of people and may enjoy it.

 

[David1967]

Some people feel they need the security of a closed
mind group of like-thinkers.

That's why I joined RF....Boy did that backfire.

 

[Audie]

That's why I joined RF....Boy did that backfire.

And that is just what a thinking person will hope for.

 

[Audie]

What does He say?
He says that every living soul wherein is the breath of life died.Except Noah and his family (8 souls)

Ok! Progress. So, for clarity, it all happened just
as the bible says. All the world went under water,
everything but on the boat died. That stuff. Right?

 

[Audie]

Of course, i contend for the truth of what I believe.
Okay, maybe you can teach me something.

I will be deeply impressed if you do learn.

 

[LightofTruth]

Ok! Progress. So, for clarity, it all happened just
as the bible says. All the world went under water,
everything but on the boat died. That stuff. Right?

Yes.

 

[LightofTruth]

I will be deeply impressed if you do learn.

Being teachable is a good quality. I remain that way today.

 

[Audie]

Yes.

We have polar ice far older than any possible dare
for your flood. Ice floats.
What does that teach you?

 

[LightofTruth]

We have polar ice far older than any possible dare
for your flood. Ice floats.
What does that teach you?

What evidence does polar ice have?

 

[LightofTruth]

off to work.

 

[Audie]

What evidence does polar ice have?

I just got through telling you. It is older than the
"flood". And it is still there. What does that
"teach" you?

 

[LightofTruth]

I just got through telling you. It is older than the
"flood". And it is still there. What does that
"teach" you?

It teaches me nothing because you haven't said anything.
Simply saying polar ice is older than the flood doesn't teach anyone anything.

 

[Deeje]

Jehovah Witnesses believe in a substitutionary atonement.

That's a doctrine of antichrist because it denies that Jesus had come in the sinful flesh.

Hang on....why would Jesus come in 'sinful flesh' when he had to fulfill God's law by offering a life for a life? He had to be sinless (not sinful) to offer the full payment for the perfect life that Adam lost for his children. No sinful human could do that.

Psalm 49:7-8....ESV
"Truly no man can ransom another,
or give to God the price of his life,
8 for the ransom of their life is costly
and can never suffice"

If all Jesus needed to be was sinful, then any human could have paid the "ransom". The whole reason why Jesus came to this earth from heaven was because the one offering his life to redeem Adam's children had to offer like for like....a perfect sinless life for a perfect sinless life.

Mark 10:45...
"For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.” (ESV)

Do you understand the mechanics of the ransom?

I wouldn't associate myself with any group which denies that Jesus came in the SAME flesh and blood as his brethren. Hebrews 2:14

Jesus was indeed flesh and blood...mortal like his brothers...but he was sinless. Being in the flesh as Adam was originally, he could redeem mankind sold onto sin through no fault on their part. The price was too high for any other human to pay.

Hebrews 4:15...ESV
"For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin."

 

[Audie]

It teaches me nothing because you haven't said anything.
Simply saying polar ice is older than the flood doesn't teach anyone anything.

Oh? Many people can figure out what a few facts tell them.
Learning does involve thinking and understanding.

You really have to have it spelled out how world wide flood
as per genesis and ancient polar ice are incompatible?

 

[LightofTruth]

Oh? Many people can figure out what a few facts tell them.
Learning does involve thinking and understanding.

You really have to have it spelled out how world wide flood
as per genesis and ancient polar ice are incompatible?

I know very little about polar ice.I major in Scripture.

 

[LightofTruth]

Hang on....why would Jesus come in 'sinful flesh' when he had to fulfill God's law by offering a life for a life? He had to be sinless (not sinful) to offer the full payment for the perfect life that Adam lost for his children. No sinful human could do that.

Psalm 49:7-8....ESV
"Truly no man can ransom another,
or give to God the price of his life,
8 for the ransom of their life is costly
and can never suffice"

If all Jesus needed to be was sinful, then any human could have paid the "ransom". The whole reason why Jesus came to this earth from heaven was because the one offering his life to redeem Adam's children had to offer like for like....a perfect sinless life for a perfect sinless life.

Mark 10:45...
"For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.” (ESV)

Do you understand the mechanics of the ransom?



Jesus was indeed flesh and blood...mortal like his brothers...but he was sinless. Being in the flesh as Adam was originally, he could redeem mankind sold onto sin through no fault on their part. The price was too high for any other human to pay.

Hebrews 4:15...ESV
"For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin."

Jesus had to be a man, made in all things like unto his brethren. His brethren have sinful flesh and so must he have had.

Heb 2:16 For surely it is not the angels he helps, but the descendants of Abraham. 17 So he had to be made like his brothers in every way, that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, in order to make atonement for the sins of the people.

When Jesus offered his sinless life it was so that God could condemn the sin in the flesh.

Rom 8 2 For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the Law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin. He thus condemned sin in the flesh,

When the scripture says Jesus was without sin it does not mean his flesh was not sinful, it simply means he personally committed no sin.

Jesus' sacrifice ransoms faithful believers from the grave.

Jesus was not a substitute but a representative.