Why is Islam so dangerous?

[Notanumber]

Because oil.

I've had a theory for a long time that states that the "middle east islam problem" is going to solve itself after we move on from oil. They would be completely and utterly unable to continue living as they do, if it weren't for the income of black gold. They'll have to earn their money in other ways and actually will need to compete on the international market. To be able to compete they will need to come up with innovative things. To be able to innovate and keep up with competition, they'll necessarily have to change their ways. I'm pretty convinced that it will solve itself afterwards. They'll be to busy trying to catch up with the rest of the world, to worry about their religious rules and sensitivities.

Right now, they can permit themselves just about anything. Because there is one certainty in this world currently: the west will be buying millions and millions of oil barrels from them every single day, week in, week out. Put a pin in that cash waterfall and see what happens next.



Many people in the west don't realise just how intertwined islam is with politics.
A secular democracy is almost seen as blasphemous as it puts "man's law" above "allah's law".

And as I say above, the prime reason how they manage to run medieval style countries in a 21st century modern world, is because they swim in black gold.

Remove that income source and their entire world will implode. Reforms will be their only way out. The reason why the west won the cold war, is because freedom wins over oppression. Freedom results in a free market of ideas, wich in turn results in more, and more creative, innovation which in turn results in capitalization and economic growth.

Islam has been exported and is no longer contained within those oil-producing countries.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I'm not aware of any catholics staging terror attacks hoping to bring nations to their knees just so they can implement those laws.

That being said, every single catholic that I know, doesn't want to live in a theocracy and is perfectly happy living in a secular democracy.

Uh-huh. Northern Ireland not being in the news this exact second means it never happened.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Uh-huh. Northern Ireland not being in the news this exact second means it never happened.

The conflict in northern ireland wasn't as religious in nature as the sunni-shiite conflict.
Neither side felt it to be its religious duty to engage in that fight.

In fact, it's only religious insofar as one side happens to be catholics and the others protestant.
If both would have been the same religion, the conflict still would have happened. At best, there would be one less "us vs them" factor.

So when's the last time you were worried about religiously motivated catholic or protestant bombings?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Islam has been exported and is no longer contained within those oil-producing countries.

It's been exported, and maintained, with oil money.

Saudi Arabia literally spends billions upon billions of dollars on that export and "maintainance".
That well would dry up also.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

They did hang people in Asir.. The death penalty is gruesome and cruel.

I do think you are ignorant and hate-filled. … and nothing can change your mind.

You are correct about not changing my mind.

Nothing will convince me that hanging headless, lifeless, bloody and mutilated bodies on cranes in front of a university where students are taking exams is normal or to be respected.
Or to chop of people's heads, whoever they are and no matter what they did, in the middle of a public intersection.

They are violating human rights every day with their oppression of women, religious police, thought crime legislation, barbaric executions, discrimination,...

It both saddens and angers me.
And I'm deeply disturbed by people who actually wish to defend such behaviour.

 

[Notanumber]

It's been exported, and maintained, with oil money.

Saudi Arabia literally spends billions upon billions of dollars on that export and "maintainance".
That well would dry up also.

Their objective has been achieved and is self-supporting. Saudi Arabia has been making hay while the sun shines.

Has the situation improved since this was published?

Political correctness is our greatest enemy.

 

[sooda]

You are correct about not changing my mind.

Nothing will convince me that hanging headless, lifeless, bloody and mutilated bodies on cranes in front of a university where students are taking exams is normal or to be respected.
Or to chop of people's heads, whoever they are and no matter what they did, in the middle of a public intersection.

They are violating human rights every day with their oppression of women, religious police, thought crime legislation, barbaric executions, discrimination,...

It both saddens and angers me.
And I'm deeply disturbed by people who actually wish to defend such behaviour.

The muttaween have no police powers and are considered pests. They are rare in the Eastern province and banned from Yanbu and Jubail. Periodically the SAG rounds them up to retrain them. Mostly what they do is roam around saying, cut your hair or go to mosque. They usually get thrown out of cultural events or book fairs, concerts and sporting events.

Women in Saudi Arabia control the home, the social life and the money.. and 67% of university students are women.

Capital crimes like repeated drug trafficking, murder, rape, pedophilia get the death penalty. Swindlers like Bernie Madoff... and grand larceny with violence also are death penalty offenses.

 

[sooda]

The conflict in northern ireland wasn't as religious in nature as the sunni-shiite conflict.
Neither side felt it to be its religious duty to engage in that fight.

In fact, it's only religious insofar as one side happens to be catholics and the others protestant.
If both would have been the same religion, the conflict still would have happened. At best, there would be one less "us vs them" factor.

So when's the last time you were worried about religiously motivated catholic or protestant bombings?

You don't know anything about Sunni and Shia who live and work side by side without conflict????? Your internet sources know what their audience wants to hear just like Sam Harris. Easy pickins.. you are psyched up tp believe the worst.

On how Everything Sam Harris says about Islam is Wrong ...

Using up Everything Fast: Extractive Capitalism, Sealing and Muslim Slaves in Latin Americaharris-unbelievers.html

On how Everything Sam Harris says about Islam is Wrong: Part 2 on “Unbelievers” ... Sam Harris has not actually read the Chapter of Repentance in the Qur’an nor has he read any accounts of the Battle of Hunayn. He just got those mistranslated quotes on the internet without any context. And he said that the Qur’an is telling believers to ...

 

[loverofhumanity]

Are all non-Muslims considered disbelievers?

Do all disbelievers go to hell?

That is for God to decide. It is not for me to judge. Whatever we call ourselves our deeds determine our true worth.

 

[sooda]

Sam Harris is smug but ignorant..

On how Everything Sam Harris says about Islam is Wrong: Part 2 on 'Unbelievers'

 

[sooda]

I wonder how long it will take before this starts in the UK. We already have child rape.

Fayez is a Coptic Christian and I do believe his sister was abducted, but that's not Wahhabi. Girls can reject a suitor, refuse marriage and have the right to write their own marriage contract.

Are you saying there was no child rape in the UK before Muslims? That's not the case in the US.

 

[charlie sc]

That is for God to decide. It is not for me to judge. Whatever we call ourselves our deeds determine our true worth.

Al-Bayyinah 6 - Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.

 

[Unguru]

Al-Bayyinah 6 - Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.

Doesn't imply that joining the 'right club' is the requirement, does it? from that verse alone it implies a pluralist notion of righteousness that negates the whole 'right or wrong religion' thing you are trying to spin here. You've inadvertently proved the opposite of what you where trying to prove by quoting this.

 

[charlie sc]

Doesn't imply that joining the 'right club' is the requirement, does it? from that verse alone it implies a pluralist notion of righteousness that negates the whole 'right or wrong religion' thing you are trying to spin here. You've inadvertently proved the opposite of what you where trying to prove by quoting this.

What about worst creatures and polytheists? Not exactly charming, is it?

One above it says, the same Surah -

98:5 And they were not commanded except to worship Allah, [being] sincere to Him in religion, inclining to truth, and to establish prayer and to give zakah. And that is the correct religion.

 

[Unguru]

What about worst creatures and polytheists? Not exactly charming, is it?

One above it says, the same Surah,

98:5 And they were not commanded except to worship Allah, [being] sincere to Him in religion, inclining to truth, and to establish prayer and to give zakah. And that is the correct religion.

Allah is the Ultimate Reality (al-Haqq), "Religion" means the same thing as Dharma, not 'organized religion'.

In Sikhism we have a similar view about idols ourselves.

You're an atheist, so I don't know why you'd care much for polytheists yourself............


As a Sikh, I find completely nothing even remotely troubling about that verse.

 

[charlie sc]

Allah is the Ultimate Reality (al-Haqq), "Religion" means the same thing as Dharma, not 'organized religion'.

In Sikhism we have a similar view about idols ourselves.

You don't find it a problem that non-scripture people will burn in hell?

You're an atheist, so I don't know why you'd care much for polytheists yourself............

Are you saying I should not care about other human beings or you're confused why I care about other human beings?

As a Sikh, I find completely nothing even remotely troubling about that verse.

Good for you.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

The conflict in northern ireland wasn't as religious in nature as the sunni-shiite conflict.
Neither side felt it to be its religious duty to engage in that fight.

In fact, it's only religious insofar as one side happens to be catholics and the others protestant.
If both would have been the same religion, the conflict still would have happened. At best, there would be one less "us vs them" factor.

So when's the last time you were worried about religiously motivated catholic or protestant bombings?

That's a convenient revision of actual history. The FACT is that so called "Islamic terrorism" is JUST as religious in nature as "the Troubles", and vice versa.

It is a FACT that ALL human conflict is, at it's fundamental core, a struggle for resources. Yes, some of our conflicts acrete varying degrees of religious ephemera as ad hoc rationalisation, but NO "religious" conflict has ever been about actual religion. Don't be fooled by the anti-Islamic bigots into thinking Islam is any different.

As discussed elsewhere, Catholic and Protestant motivated violence may not have a particularly high profile in the past couple of decades (although it's certainly happened, some notable instances include, but are not limited to, Ander's Breivik, Timothy McVeigh, and the Colarado Springs Planned Parenthood murders) but in times past, we've been more than willing to commit violence in the name of religion. Guy Fawkes is a good example, if you want bombings in particular.

So my central point is this; all this angst over "Islamic violence", as though it's a phenomenon unique to Islam, and that Islam is inherently dangerous, is misplaced and hypocritical. Extremism is the problem, no matter what religion it's practitioners.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

You don't find it a problem that non-scripture people will burn in hell?

... why is it only a problem when Islamic scripture says such things, but not, for example, Christian scripture?

 

[charlie sc]

... why is it only a problem when Islamic scripture says such things, but not, for example, Christian scripture?

I never said it wasn't

 

[Unguru]

You don't find it a problem that non-scripture people will burn in hell?

Did you read my previous reply? Why is Islam so dangerous? you did reply to it....

Are you saying I should not care about other human beings or you're confused why I care about other human beings?

Well as an atheist, if your only method of discourse with a monotheist is to mock them by calling one transcendent reality as a "man in the sky", then I find it ludicrous you'd have any concern for polytheists who actually follow anthropomorphic deities (some of the literally "men in the sky"). Double standards.
But then to add, your question here doesn't make a whole lot of sense, as you're an atheist that doesn't believe in "hell". But if you're an atheist that believes in "hell", then I apologize.