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Featured Why is Islam so dangerous?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Raymann, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. Raymann

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    I don't care much about religion.
    I'm not against any religion, don't get me wrong.
    I even believe religious people (Christians mainly because I grew up among them) are good people. They seem to be genuinely loving people.
    I cannot speak much about other religions on a personal level because I don't make many friends that are not Christians or Atheists. Not my choice, it just happens that way.
    Like many people, I have spent many hours researching on Islam after 9/11 happened.
    I live in New York City so that was very close to me.
    My research findings tell me Islam is a very dangerous religion.
    The closer Islam gets to you the more dangerous it gets.
    That seems to be a fact.
    I know that Muslims are going to ask me to prove it from the scriptures and that is a ridiculous request.
    There are 52 or 53 Muslim countries in the world and I can assure you that any of them has some sort of religious tension, wars or religious related violence in them.
    I can quickly come up with links to prove it.
    Most of the world is still Christian majority and today you rarely will find religion related violence in them.
    The question is why?
    Is there any hope that this pattern is going to change?
    Is there some kind of Islamic reform possible?
    Is war against Islam inevitable?
     
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  2. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    I see the most dangerous thing is our own selves.

    Predudices are something we have to eliminate.

    Regards Tony
     
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  3. Raymann

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    Wise advice, thanks, but I believe that I'm past that point.
    I carefully research the topics I talk about and try to see opposite points of view to evaluate the results.
    It seems to me very obvious that Islam is a problem.
     
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    It wasn't too long ago when the world was immersed in WWI closely followed WWII. It was mostly the Christian countries that took up arms against each other fighting for God, King and country. WWII is probably the most destructive war on record. Six million Jews were put to death alongside other minorities as a result of a country whose population consisted of nearly 95% Christians.
     
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  5. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    I see we have to seperate the actions of a few from a majority that live peace, in a loving Faith.

    Personally the world has a lot to answer for, we have allowed nationalisim and all forms of predudices to eat away at the foundations of strong and needed virtues.

    The only way to address these issues is now on a worldwide scale.

    Regards Tony
     
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    It wasn't that long ago Christianity was dangerous to anyone not Christian,islam though seems like it's a great conduit for violence from what we see in it's history.
     
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    Islam is no more dangerous than christianity. What is dangerous is the fundimentalists who use the faith to justify murder and genocide

    And they are prevalent in any religion

    Consider that in parts of africa christian malitia's are still mutilating, killing and raping (often in that order) non christians.
     
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    So you have studied Islam on the internet?
     
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    One of the results of that was a determined consciousness of 'Never again!' from all sides. Perhaps, sadly, that's what it could take in the Arab world.
     
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    Never again... unless you are Palestinian.
     
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    I was thinking of the core of western Europe where much damage was done, and many lives were lost. In the Muslim countries today, so much war is Muslim versus Muslim. In WW2 similarly, it was Christian versus Christian.

    The Palestinian situation is sad.
     
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    I haven’t watched all of this yet, but I can’t argue with anything that I have seen so far.

     
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    So what happened that made the predominantly Christian West better since then?
     
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    Landon Caeli What's your stoyle?

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    I like at 4:16 he describes error as a liguistical or semantics rooted problem... I believe most people do think linguisrically, and those people who do think that way will be continuously misled.

    ...There are some of us do not think in words. We just use words to communicate, but not in our general thought processes.

    Some think more intuitively, in imagery, and in memory and I think this is a higher thought process... Byvthe very nature of what "fundamentalism" is, this type of thinking discourages this higher thinking.
     
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    Where did you do your research?
     
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    I don't know that it's Islam itself that's dangerous. As noted by others here, every religion has its share of fanatics and zealots who commit acts of violence and terror to further their agenda.

    I think what we're really dealing with are variant forms of malignant nationalism. Much of it may have been initially well-intentioned, as a vehicle for opposing Western colonialism and imperialism, although it seems as if a monster has been created in the process.

    I would also attribute much of it to the intrigue and duplicity of Cold War geopolitics. We in the West created numerous "monsters" in the Middle East due to our fears that the Soviet Union could do the same - while both sides were maneuvering for hegemony over that region.

    "Is there any hope that this pattern is going to change?" We in the West could start to change by pulling our troops out of the Middle East and extricate ourselves from Middle Eastern politics. Leave these countries alone for a while, and then maybe they won't get so testy and violent.
     
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    "I think what we're really dealing with are variant forms of malignant nationalism. Much of it may have been initially well-intentioned, as a vehicle for opposing Western colonialism and imperialism, although it seems as if a monster has been created in the process."

    You are correct.. Even now the Muslim Brotherhood is opposed to reforms in KSA..

    Brings us back to Khashoggi again and the Muslim brotherhood. They don’t want any of these reforms. They don’t want any Western influences in any Islamic country, much less Saudi Arabia where Mecca and Medina are.

    They do not want Wahhabism watered down. They want the Arab spring.

    They don’t want secularism anywhere and Mohammad bin Salman represents a bit of that.
     
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    This woman talks a lot of sense.



    Who are the ‘Easter worshippers’ that the leftwing liberals talk about?

     
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