Why is Islam so dangerous?

[sooda]

This woman talks a lot of sense.

Who are the ‘Easter worshippers’ that the leftwing liberals talk about?

Daniel Pipes is a hater.

She has nothing to say.. She is about 50 years out of date.

 

[Stevicus]

"I think what we're really dealing with are variant forms of malignant nationalism. Much of it may have been initially well-intentioned, as a vehicle for opposing Western colonialism and imperialism, although it seems as if a monster has been created in the process."

You are correct.. Even now the Muslim Brotherhood is opposed to reforms in KSA..

Brings us back to Khashoggi again and the Muslim brotherhood. They don’t want any of these reforms. They don’t want any Western influences in any Islamic country, much less Saudi Arabia where Mecca and Medina are.

They do not want Wahhabism watered down. They want the Arab spring.

They don’t want secularism anywhere and Mohammad bin Salman represents a bit of that.

This is where it may create a dilemma for Western policymakers in regards to our policies in the Middle East. Part of me believes that, if that's how they want to run their countries, then let them have at it. Why should we interfere or have anything to do with them whatsoever?

On the other hand, that would leave many people (who may not want to live under extremist governments) at the mercy of violent fanatics. So, if we don't intervene or intercede, then it would be seen as turning our backs on them and allowing evil to reign. Also, if we pull out of the Middle East, other countries (possibly Russia) might move in and take over.

I don't think it's possible that the Arab world could be completely isolated or insulated, even if the West did pull out. They're in a globally strategic position and are connected to the West on multiple levels. They're using Western-built weapons, computers, cellphones, airplanes - it's not like they're fighting on horseback with swords anymore. The oil-rich Arab countries seem quite well-off and luxurious - although not all of the Arabic-speaking countries are doing so well. A lot of poverty and squalor, when there's such vast wealth within striking distance.

That's why I never really bought into the whole spiel about Islam being such a "dangerous" or "evil" religion. The reasons why people fight tend to fall into the same basic categories. True, religion is often a significant part of a nation's culture, but people are also driven by more basic motivations. Religious leaders can also be faulted whenever they decide they want to dabble in their national politics.

 

[shunyadragon]

Wise advice, thanks, but I believe that I'm past that point.
I carefully research the topics I talk about and try to see opposite points of view to evaluate the results.
It seems to me very obvious that Islam is a problem.

I believe that ancient tribal religions like Judaism, Christianity and Islam are dangerous, because they were revealed in an ancient context and purpose, and they are out of the context and time of the contemporary world. The spiritual evolution of humanity is moving on to a more universal context that is inclusive of a broader relationship of the different religions and cultures of the world.

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't care much about religion.
I'm not against any religion, don't get me wrong.
I even believe religious people (Christians mainly because I grew up among them) are good people. They seem to be genuinely loving people.
I cannot speak much about other religions on a personal level because I don't make many friends that are not Christians or Atheists. Not my choice, it just happens that way.
Like many people, I have spent many hours researching on Islam after 9/11 happened.
I live in New York City so that was very close to me.
My research findings tell me Islam is a very dangerous religion.

I disagree. A religion would fulfill requirements that Islaam does not.

The closer Islam gets to you the more dangerous it gets.
That seems to be a fact.
I know that Muslims are going to ask me to prove it from the scriptures and that is a ridiculous request.

Yes, it is indeed.

There are 52 or 53 Muslim countries in the world and I can assure you that any of them has some sort of religious tension, wars or religious related violence in them.
I can quickly come up with links to prove it.
Most of the world is still Christian majority and today you rarely will find religion related violence in them.
The question is why?
Is there any hope that this pattern is going to change?

Yes.

Is there some kind of Islamic reform possible?

Sure, but I do not expect Islaam to survive it as still recognizably Islaam.

Is war against Islam inevitable?

Not really.

 

[Notanumber]

Daniel Pipes is a hater.

She has nothing to say.. She is about 50 years out of date.

Has there been a change for the better in the last 50 years?

Sri Lanka bombing: reports from Open Doors teams

 

[sayak83]

I don't care much about religion.
I'm not against any religion, don't get me wrong.
I even believe religious people (Christians mainly because I grew up among them) are good people. They seem to be genuinely loving people.
I cannot speak much about other religions on a personal level because I don't make many friends that are not Christians or Atheists. Not my choice, it just happens that way.
Like many people, I have spent many hours researching on Islam after 9/11 happened.
I live in New York City so that was very close to me.
My research findings tell me Islam is a very dangerous religion.
The closer Islam gets to you the more dangerous it gets.
That seems to be a fact.
I know that Muslims are going to ask me to prove it from the scriptures and that is a ridiculous request.
There are 52 or 53 Muslim countries in the world and I can assure you that any of them has some sort of religious tension, wars or religious related violence in them.
I can quickly come up with links to prove it.
Most of the world is still Christian majority and today you rarely will find religion related violence in them.
The question is why?
Is there any hope that this pattern is going to change?
Is there some kind of Islamic reform possible?
Is war against Islam inevitable?

If you carefully researched the topics then you need to justify the conclusions that you are making here. I am more than happy to listen. Once we are satisfied as to the nature of the problem, we can go onto questions of reform.

 

[sooda]

Has there been a change for the better in the last 50 years?

Sri Lanka bombing: reports from Open Doors teams

OH yes.. with a reversal in 1979.

 

[sooda]

I disagree. A religion would fulfill requirements that Islaam does not.



Yes, it is indeed.


Yes.

Sure, but I do not expect Islaam to survive it as still recognizably Islaam.

Not really.

The hate mongers may as well sign up for recruiting terrorists..

 

[Cooky]

Secular humanism.

But isn't that just a cliché @Stevicus and @Daemon Sophic..?

 

[dianaiad]

It wasn't too long ago when the world was immersed in WWI closely followed WWII. It was mostly the Christian countries that took up arms against each other fighting for God, King and country. WWII is probably the most destructive war on record. Six million Jews were put to death alongside other minorities as a result of a country whose population consisted of nearly 95% Christians.

Neither WWI nor WWII were 'religious wars.'

They were wars of conquest, purely and simply; the aggressor nations wanted something that the defending nations had. The Japanese wanted control of the Pacific and trade. The Axis allies wanted pretty much everything else.

Though it doesn't surprise me one bit to see someone call them religious wars. Those who dislike religion in general, and Christianity in particular, want to present all war as religious; because of course 'no true atheist' would involve himself in such. Even when the leader of the aggressor nation was atheist, and part of his agenda was to eliminate theism and theists, of course the atheist wasn't going to war or killing people because they were theist. they had OTHER reasons.

At the same time, if those who dislike religion in general see that any nation had religion as any tiny part of their war strategy, then it was ALL ABOUT the religion, and no other motive can possibly be any part of it.

I really dislike hypocrisy and lousy logic.

BTW, the Japanese were NOT Christian. they were Shinto, Buddhist, and Emperor worshipers. there WAS a very strong element of religious fervor for them, But not "Christian' fervor.

As well Mussolini was an atheist before he got into leadership positions, saw that the people he wanted to control were devout Catholics, mostly, and suddenly he 'found God,' and used the religion for all it was worth. Not because he believed...his conversion was far too timely to be believable...but because he could USE it.

That is NOT doing something 'in the Name of God." it's using His Name as an excuse. That is, you must acknowledge, a far different thing.

One other side issue; WW1 had a great many Islamic nations fighting or involved in the war, none of them "Christian." WWII was truly a WORLD war; every nation on the globe participated in it, no matter what the religion. In fact, the list of those which remained neutral to the end of the war is very short: Andorra, Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland (with Liechtenstein), and the Vatican. That's it.

And China, which was very much NOT a Christian nation, was a principal participant from the beginning.

Neither war was fought on religious grounds (except perhaps for Japan, which was not, and is not, "Christian." ).

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[Brickjectivity]

You don't know anything about Islam so you are easily duped.

I know very little of Islam, but how much does one need to know? I though the video in notanumber's link seemed realistic. link to that post

What I mean is, just how informed do we all need to become in order to see your point of view?

 

[sooda]

I don't care much about religion.
I'm not against any religion, don't get me wrong.
I even believe religious people (Christians mainly because I grew up among them) are good people. They seem to be genuinely loving people.
I cannot speak much about other religions on a personal level because I don't make many friends that are not Christians or Atheists. Not my choice, it just happens that way.
Like many people, I have spent many hours researching on Islam after 9/11 happened.
I live in New York City so that was very close to me.
My research findings tell me Islam is a very dangerous religion.
The closer Islam gets to you the more dangerous it gets.
That seems to be a fact.
I know that Muslims are going to ask me to prove it from the scriptures and that is a ridiculous request.
There are 52 or 53 Muslim countries in the world and I can assure you that any of them has some sort of religious tension, wars or religious related violence in them.
I can quickly come up with links to prove it.
Most of the world is still Christian majority and today you rarely will find religion related violence in them.
The question is why?
Is there any hope that this pattern is going to change?
Is there some kind of Islamic reform possible?
Is war against Islam inevitable?

The problems in the Arab world are more a result of haves versus have nots. Healthcare, education and clean water.. arable land are the issues. The terrorists tend to be drug addled gangs of the unemployed.

Your internet expertise is based on bad stuff that makes the headlines.

 

[sooda]

I haven’t watched all of this yet, but I can’t argue with anything that I have seen so far.

Horowitz has earned his living teaching hate since the 1980s..

In his own words
“I'm drawing attention to all these neo-Nazi Muslims and leftists because this is the overlooked but real neo-Nazi movement in America. Richard Spencer and his Charlottesville idiots are marginal and have no significant following, unlike SJP [Students for Justice in Palestine] and the campus Jew-hating left.”
—Twitter, December 25, 2017

David Horowitz

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I don't care much about religion.
I'm not against any religion, don't get me wrong.
I even believe religious people (Christians mainly because I grew up among them) are good people. They seem to be genuinely loving people.
I cannot speak much about other religions on a personal level because I don't make many friends that are not Christians or Atheists. Not my choice, it just happens that way.
Like many people, I have spent many hours researching on Islam after 9/11 happened.
I live in New York City so that was very close to me.
My research findings tell me Islam is a very dangerous religion.
The closer Islam gets to you the more dangerous it gets.
That seems to be a fact.
I know that Muslims are going to ask me to prove it from the scriptures and that is a ridiculous request.
There are 52 or 53 Muslim countries in the world and I can assure you that any of them has some sort of religious tension, wars or religious related violence in them.
I can quickly come up with links to prove it.
Most of the world is still Christian majority and today you rarely will find religion related violence in them.
The question is why?
Is there any hope that this pattern is going to change?
Is there some kind of Islamic reform possible?
Is war against Islam inevitable?

Extremism among disaffected people is the problem, not Islam.

 

[Notanumber]

The hate mongers may as well sign up for recruiting terrorists..

There is always that constant threat of terror with Islam.

 

[icehorse]

Obviously not.. You can't know anything if you learned about Islam on the internet.

And you can't learn anything of statistical meaning by talking to a handful of Muslims. So how do you recommend a person learn about Islam?

(By which I mean to say that your claim above seems clearly wrong to me.)

 

[sooda]

There is always that constant threat of terror with Islam.

That's absolute nonsense.

David Horowitz grew up a "red diaper baby" in a communist community in Sunnyside, Queens. He studied literature at Columbia, taking classes from Lionel Trilling, and became a "new leftist" during the Soviet invasion of Hungary in 1956.

 

[icehorse]

Extremism among disaffected people is the problem, not Islam.

About half the world's Muslims want Sharia. I don't view them as extremists. I view Islam as dangerously outdated.

 

[icehorse]

That's absolute nonsense.

David Horowitz grew up a "red diaper baby" in a communist community in Sunnyside, Queens. He studied literature at Columbia, taking classes from Lionel Trilling, and became a "new leftist" during the Soviet invasion of Hungary in 1956.

Whenever I see an ad hominem attack I conclude that the attacker doesn't have a good argument.

 

[sooda]

And you can't learn anything of statistical meaning by talking to a handful of Muslims. So how do you recommend a person learn about Islam?

(By which I mean to say that your claim above seems clearly wrong to me.)

I spent 20 years in the ME.. I like them..

You could start by NOT listening to the hate mongers like Horowitz, Spencer, Brigitte Gabriel and all those other clots with Jihad Watch.