President Trump to close down border

[Subduction Zone]

And listening today what would happen to auto workers alone today I almost wish that Trump would shut down the border. He would force countless supporters of his out of work, and they do not tend to forget such actions.

 

[ecco]

If Mexico were willing to enforce their immigration laws, then our POTUS would not have to seal off our border from diseased or criminally violent illegal immigrants.

Which Mexican immigration laws are Mexico not enforcing?

The ones which could have kept the illegal migrant Latin American caravans from approaching near our border.

"The ones which could have"? So you don't really know of any actual Mexican laws regarding caravans approaching our near borders. You thought you'd just post it while hoping everyone would blindly accept it.

 

[ecco]

And listening today what would happen to auto workers alone today I almost wish that Trump would shut down the border. He would force countless supporters of his out of work, and they do not tend to forget such actions.

I do hope he closes it, with the results you cited.

 

[ecco]

How do you think the millions of 'illegal aliens' manage to support themselves without being deported?
Meatpacking, Construction and agriculture depend on cheap, compliant, often illegal labor. There have only been a handful of employers prosecuted for illegal hiring in the past few decades, even though it's common knowledge that illegals are being employed.

Why does the meat/poultry industry need illegals?

Meat Packing – The United Food & Commercial Workers International Union
The UPWA was able to continually improve pay, benefits and working conditions of meatpacking workers in the U.S. through the 1970s. The average wage earned by a meatpacking worker during the 1960s and 1970s was 14% to 18% higher than others in the manufacturing sector. The peak hourly wage of a meatpacking worker during this period was nearly $20 per hour when adjusted for inflation. This was because they were union, and because they bargained with the company for their wages. ... These workers were able to buy homes, put money aside for retirement, and put their children through school, and build a future for their families. United together in their union, workers were powerful enough to win pensions, health care, and measures to improve the safety and health conditions in their plants, and they were able to live the American Dream.

A changing industry
The meatpacking industry changed rapidly through the 1980s. Business in the railroad stockyards and city packinghouses declined rapidly. Chicago’s Union Stock Yard closed in 1970. Instead, packing plants arose in rural areas near livestock feedlots. These new plants were equipped with power saws and mechanical knives for a more efficient “disassembly line”. New companies like Iowa Beef Processors (IBP) used financial, technical and engineering power to change the face of the industry. They competed with other companies by increasing worker speed and productivity while cutting labor costs. Other companies either followed suit, or lost out. Small, local and regional companies closed or were bought out by giants like Tyson and Smithfield—and these companies grew into industry leaders. Now, five mega-corporations control more than 80% of the market.

These big, powerful companies continued to increase production speed, increasing the hazards for workers. Companies moved closed union plants and moved operations to states with right-to-work laws that made it difficult for workers to organize themselves into unions and fight for safer line speeds or wage increases. Workers who did seek to organize were met with employer resistance in the form of intimidation.

Today, workers have lost power at the bargaining table. Giant meatpacking and food companies are more determined than ever to keep labor costs as low as possible and production as high as possible. This means hiring cheap labor, maintaining intolerably high line speeds, demanding cuts in wages and benefits from unionized facilities.

In early 2005, Human Rights Watch released a report entitled “Blood, Sweat, and Fear: Workers’ Rights in U.S. Meat and Poultry Plants,” which concluded that the working conditions in many of America’s meat packing plants violated basic human and worker rights. This was the first time the human rights organization had criticized a single a U.S. industry.​

The result being that "Americans" don't want those jobs.

 

[columbus]

It doesn't bother me. Mexico's policy bothers me. I can't build a house there because of their Nationalist, racist government.

...If I had it my way, there would be English speaking villages there with cheap houses for people like me. Until then, those South of the border can expect no favors from me, until they give me something in return. Mass illegal immigration, as it stands, is NO DEAL.

Hey,

I do hope he closes it, with the results you cited.

Bet you a dollar that Trump will approve waivers that exempt Mexican imports that are convenient for his supporters.

He doesn't want to explain to his base why his policies don't really work. They just sound good to the poorly informed.
Tom

 

[Valjean]

Meat packing used to be a high paying job. As consumers we benefit, but it might have been healthier for us if the mass replacement of skilled workers with immigrants willing to work for low pay never occurred.

Construction used to pay well, too, but the right wing war on labor has wiped out the bargaining power of workers and resulted in an industrial serfdom.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Construction used to pay well, too, but the right wing war on labor has wiped out the bargaining power of workers and resulted in an industrial serfdom.

Too many on the right are taking a short term approach to economics. Yes, the rich get richer at first, but it is not sustainable. The U.S. is not the thriving market place that it used to be and quite a bit of that may be due to the rampant profiteering we have seen where the labor force suffers. I have heard some conservatives say that "A rising tide lifts all boats". There methods only allow the rich to rise and that will could easily end. The rich need the middle class to have disposable income to maintain their wealth.

 

[Revoltingest]

Construction used to pay well, too, but the right wing war on labor has wiped out the bargaining power of workers and resulted in an industrial serfdom.

Where I live, it still pays well.
There's quite a labor shortage in construction.

 

[Salvador]

"The ones which could have"? So you don't really know of any actual Mexican laws regarding caravans approaching our near borders. You thought you'd just post it while hoping everyone would blindly accept it.

Until our POTUS warned he is willing to shut down our border if Mexico failed to resume enforcing her immigration laws, the Mexican southern border patrol had left border check points open and unmanned; this shows the Mexicans were freely allowing people from Central America into their country.

Fox News Alert: Migrant caravan enters Mexico through open border checkpoint: ...

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[Milton Platt]

Although it will assure he probably won't get elected , I surely hope he does not close down the border. If its closed according to WIkipedia closed border will mean trucks that bring in fruit and vegetables from Mexico won't be able to deliver.

That means we will be short produce in our grocery stores.It is also very dangerous. Again I don't care about weather it helps Dems or not I want whats best for the country, I hope he does the right thing and does not close the border.

Not likely to happen.That would affect major U.S. corporations and they are big donors.

 

[Salvador]

Construction used to pay well, too, but the right wing war on labor has wiped out the bargaining power of workers and resulted in an industrial serfdom.

Ever since the Tax Cut and Jobs Act has been enacted along with Trump's tough stance against illegal immigration, wages overall have finally increased more than inflation. ....

Opinion | Real Wages Are Rising

 

[ecco]

Bet you a dollar that Trump will approve waivers that exempt Mexican imports that are convenient for his supporters.

He doesn't want to explain to his base why his policies don't really work. They just sound good to the poorly informed.
Tom

Yep and yep.

 

[ecco]

I have heard some conservatives say that "A rising tide lifts all boats".

The boats get even higher when the rainfall of trickle-down economics makes the water levels higher.

Uh uh.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The boats get even higher when the rainfall of trickle-down economics makes the water levels higher.

Uh uh.

The point was that the current attacks on the middle to lower middle class by conservatives are destructive to their own wishes. It is short term thinking to race to the bottom wage-wise.

 

[ecco]

"The ones which could have"? So you don't really know of any actual Mexican laws regarding caravans approaching our near borders. You thought you'd just post it while hoping everyone would blindly accept it.

Until our POTUS warned he is willing to shut down our border if Mexico failed to resume enforcing her immigration laws, the Mexican southern border patrol had left border check points open and unmanned; this shows the Mexicans were freely allowing people from Central America into their country.

This is the second time you have ducked and dodged. I guess it's safe to conclude that you didn't/don't know of any actual immigration laws that Mexico is not enforcing when you said...

If Mexico were willing to enforce their immigration laws, then our POTUS would not have to seal off our border from diseased or criminally violent illegal immigrants.

Credibility?

 

[ecco]

Ever since the Tax Cut and Jobs Act has been enacted along with Trump's tough stance against illegal immigration, wages overall have finally increased more than inflation. ....

Opinion | Real Wages Are Rising

Why would you post an opinion page? Do you think we don't know what an opinion is?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why would you post an opinion page? Do you think we don't know what an opinion is?

Absolute fact that we should swallow without question?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Undocumented workers do bring down wages for many hard working American citizens.

Actually there are numerous studies that show they give us a boost in wages.
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/01/31/economists-immigrants-actually-boost-wages

Many undocumented workers have bought fake IDs and stolen social security numbers, so their employers often didn't know they are in our nation illegally.

They know. A meat processing plant in Indiana (it has revolving door names and owners) has been caught a few times having multiple "John Smith"s all working there all using the same SSN. And of course Trump's government shut down did have detrimental effects for employee verification, so he must not be that too concerned about it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Bet you a dollar that Trump will approve waivers that exempt Mexican imports that are convenient for his supporters.

Are you predicting that some businesses or industries will get
selective permission to cross, or all commerce in general?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Tisk tisk....The loss of all those narcotics, what a shame. ....

You do know lots of narcotics come from legal sources/prescriptions, don't you? Some counties have over 100 prescriptions per 100 people. Boarder closures will do nothing to address what caused this problem, or do anything to fix or solve the problem itself.