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China: Man intentionally drives into crowd. Kills 6

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
You mean, nobody is screaming 'BAN CARS?"
Notice that there's also nobody screaming against putting up bollards to protect pedestrian spaces.

"THE ONLY THING THAT CAN STOP A BAD GUY WITH A CAR IS A GOOD GUY WITH A CAR!"

"IF YOU BAN LEGAL CARS FROM SIDEWALKS, THE ONLY CARS ON THE SIDEWALK WILL BE ILLEGAL CARS!"
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
There's no utility in civilian access to guns capable of slaughtering by the dozen. No one 'needs' AK-47 or AR-15 style weapons.
Like hell there isnt.

All people have a right to protection and that includes rightful possession of weaponry.

With people like you if there wasn't guns , you'd go after knives, if there's no knives you would go after something else Ad nauseam till the end of time.

Tell me I'm wrong yet again about it.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Why do you need to inflict deadly force on human beings?
For no other reason there are human beings out there who would be willing to inflict deadly force on me. Yeah people like that exist, it's not like Yeti and Bigfoot sightings or anything. They're really out there somewhere.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
For no other reason there are human beings out there who would be willing to inflict deadly force on me. Yeah people like that exist, it's not like Yeti and Bigfoot sightings or anything. They're really out there somewhere.
And would you rather those people had guns or knives?
 

Glaurung

Denizen of Niflheim
All people have a right to protection and that includes rightful possession of weaponry.
By that reasoning, should I have the right to stockpile grenades, landmines and nerve agents?

In seriousness, no one denies your right to self-defense. What is denied is your need to possesses guns capable of mowing down crowds of people.

With people like you if there wasn't guns , you'd go after knives, if there's no knives you would go after something else Ad nauseam till the end of time.
That's your own projection. I'm not advocating a total prohibition on all firearms; just on the ones that make it easy for lone wolves to mow down crowds.

Tell me I'm wrong yet again about it.
I see your arguments as desperate. If you were to accept that easy access to high powered semi-automatic weapons and the frequency of mass shootings are correlated, but that such shootings are an acceptable price to pay for such access then at least you would have a coherent (if obnoxious) position. And to be honest, I think that is the real position of gun advocates such as yourself.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
So... in a situation where you would want to use deadly force against an attacker, a knife would be just as good to you as a gun?

Why do you need the guns, then?

I don't think there's any situation where I'd want to. It would be a situation where I'd have to .

Are we talkin close-quarter or long distance?

Both have distinct benefits and limitations in life and death situations. In the military there's a saying. "The quick, and the dead "

Also one of my favorites, "Don't bring a gun to a knife fight".

Don't Bring a Gun to a Knife Fight

Sage advice.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I don't think there's any situation where I'd want to. It would be a situation where I'd have to .

Are we talkin close-quarter or long distance?

Both have distinct benefits and limitations in life and death situations. In the military there's a saying. "The quick, and the dead "

Also one of my favorites, "Don't bring a gun to a knife fight".

Don't Bring a Gun to a Knife Fight

Sage advice.
So you do think that guns increase a person's ability to kill?

Edit: I know perfectly well that killing, especially in large numbers, is generally much easier with a gun than with a knife. @We Never Know claims to disagree, so I'm trying to see if he actually believes what he's saying.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
So then you have a different position from that of @We Never Know , so your replies won't help me in what I'm trying to do: understand @We Never Know 's position.
It might be worth mentioning that pretty much all the mass shootings we read and hear about incorporate the element of surprise to which there really isn't much of a defense no matter whats being used. It's not difficult to see how the multiple casualties come to be what they are because of the element of surprise.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
No. it's not the isolated incident but the ongoing slaughter unique to the USA. The following is just one example of the "everyone should have a loaded gun" worship. And given the ever rising tide of white nationalist terrorists the problem will get worse.

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Statistics and relative numbers. What are the populations of those countries? What is the population of the US? >300 million.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Statistics and relative numbers. What are the populations of those countries? What is the population of the US? >300 million.

Combined those nations are around 250 million. Japan is the only one beside the USA to have a population above 100M
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
Guns can run out of ammo. Knives don't.
Are you serious? You're going to ignore the simple, blatant and obvious facts that guns are more deadly than knives by saying "knives don't need ammo"? Think about this argument for two minutes and try to tell me you see no flaw in it.

It's not really a factor in face of someone who's just going to try to kill you anyways.
Absolutely, it is. You are statistically far more likely to survive a knife attack than a gun attack. And if you seriously want to argue that a gun is just as good at killing as a knife is... Why do you need guns for self-defence? Why not just have knives?

I'd rather have them think before they commit.
Which is a lot more likely to happen if they don't have immediate access to a device that can kill you with the pull of a trigger.
 
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