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Bob the Unbeliever
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Bob the Unbeliever
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So? They were described as Innocent. Completely devoid of Knowledge. They had yet to eat of the Tree Of Knowing.
They were, in short, 100% stupid. Blank minds, devoid of even ordinary thoughts.
But the REAL LESSON of Genesis?
KNOWLEDGE IS SIN. DO NOT LEARN ANYTHING NEW-- UPON PAIN OF REJECTION.
Bob the Unbeliever
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Interesting perspective. I do believe that is new, to me. Hmmmm....
Dammit, Jim-- now I gotta **think**.... I'm a Doctor, not a Thinker!
Bob the Unbeliever
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1) who said it was created, in the first place?
2) What is "spirit"? What's it made of? Can you measure it in any way? No? May as well not exist at all, then, for 100% lack of anything tangible.
MJFlores
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Were they infants? No.
Were they minors? No.
Adam and Eve were matured, talking and thinking individuals when they were created.
They knew everything and aware of everything that was going on.
The only thing that they did not have were belly buttons.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
it's one or the other.
substance can self create
or Spirit first
Bob the Unbeliever
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But. According to the Myth? THEY WERE DUMB AS POSTS. Utterly, and totally without knowledge of any sort.
Not having eaten of the Tree Of Knowing, you see. So they were as ignorant as toddlers...
That's not what your bible says!
LMAO!
That's not how they are painted....
Bob the Unbeliever
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What is "spirit"? You mention it as if it's self-referential, but clearly, it's not.
You need to show this "spirit" is a real thing, and not just wishful thinking.
MJFlores
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Why so serious?
Lighten up.
If we don't we would be grumpy old men in a couple of years.
It is true that Adam and Eve did not have belly buttons because they did not have umbilical cords.
If this is not true.
Which came first, the chimp or the egg?
Bob the Unbeliever
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Well, I'd find things a lot more funny, if you bible-worshipers would quit trying to inject your bronze-age immoral book into Law. But there ya go.
Too late for me... Save yourself! Don't get old!
...wait.... that's not an option, is it? Getting old appears to be a requirement. Says so, right here on the label.
*sigh*
Still.... I'd rater be getting old, than dead. That being the single alternative....
... so far. I, for one, would welcome being Uploaded into the Cloud as a digital mind. No more itchy backs, that due to a flaw in the design of arms, you cannot *quite* reach properly.
God: Creates humans as the Pinnacle of Creation.
But gives the ability to scratch all of your back....
.... to house cats. Whats up with that?
Well. If you are going to get technical? It was Adam and Steve-- because Steve would have been a clone of Adam, and have identical DNA.
So the very first Transsexual was Steve... And god did such an amazing job of it, that Steve's artifical womb actually worked.... !
Egg. That's easy: eggs evolved hundreds of millions of years before either Chickens or Apes. In fact? It seems that eggs go back to Chordata, a kind of worm-with-a-backbone, the precursor to fishes.
And we humans inherited egg-making from way back then. It's just that somewhere along the way, egg-laying gave way to placentas instead. Pity about Marsupials, though-- they not only don't lay eggs, they don't use placentas either. Wait... did I say "pity"? I meant to say BRILLIANT! No pain of childbirth!
God creates Humans as the Ultimate Creation...
... but gives the *best* method of live birth to ... Kangaroos?
MJFlores
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I have a lot of grey hairs on my head that I am mistaken for a senior citizen and people would often offer me to line up on the priority lane for pregnant women, people with disabilities and senior citizens.
Anyho as people would say "Hold on to your ticket, you don't know when you're gonna win."
I'm not a bible thumping person and I hate to be serious all the time.
I don't dig the Primordial soup and the Evo thing - millions and millions of years, simply because simple life [not the former TV series of Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie] could not just present itself and change itself into complex organisms like humans with 5 race divisions, 8.7 million land species, 391,000 plant species, 10,000 bird species and 34,000 fish species on the planet, unless someone so wise, so powerful created all of these.
An amoeba wouldn't exist if no one would trigger it's existence. NASA has sent probes to Mars [which is within the Goldilocks zone] looking and searching for evidence of extinct life and did not find any. ESA would be the next to try its luck.
Life couldn't exist by itself.
It would take someone with life to give life.
That is common sense.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
cause and effect.....
if substance is not 'self' propagating.....not 'self' creating....
then
Spirit first
Thief
Rogue Theologian
as per scripture....
Adam is a CHOSEN son of God
Eve is a clone
no navel
not born of woman
MJFlores
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
we are all dust.....
our mothers ate for two
all that was consumed came up from the ground
we continue that consumption
and to the ground we are condemned
Bob the Unbeliever
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I have a lot of grey hairs on my head that I am mistaken for a senior citizen and people would often offer me to line up on the priority lane for pregnant women, people with disabilities and senior citizens.
Anyho as people would say "Hold on to your ticket, you don't know when you're gonna win."
I'm not a bible thumping person and I hate to be serious all the time.
I don't dig the Primordial soup and the Evo thing - millions and millions of years, simply because simple life [not the former TV series of Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie] could not just present itself and change itself into complex organisms like humans with 5 race divisions, 8.7 million land species, 391,000 plant species, 10,000 bird species and 34,000 fish species on the planet, unless someone so wise, so powerful created all of these.
An amoeba wouldn't exist if no one would trigger it's existence. NASA has sent probes to Mars [which is within the Goldilocks zone] looking and searching for evidence of extinct life and did not find any. ESA would be the next to try its luck.
Life couldn't exist by itself.
It would take someone with life to give life.
That is common sense.
Argument From Incredulity Logical Fallacy. Oh well-- science is Hard. Goddidit is easy.
And? We have examined a teensy fraction of Mars-- your claim is akin to dipping a single glass into the ocean, looking in there, and exclaiming: "The oceans must be barren-- I see nothing".
Finally? It wasn't merely millions of years-- it was over 3 billion years. That's a darn long time, if there actually was a god driving the process, as you claim here.
Humans went from Wolves to Chihuahuas in a mere thousand years or so--because they were driving the process.
If there is a god behind Evolution? Why did it take so long?
MJFlores
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Yup, reminds me of Kansas
I close my eyes, only for a moment, and the moment's gone
All my dreams pass before my eyes, a curiosity
Dust in the wind
All they are is dust in the wind
Same old song, just a drop of water in an endless sea
All we do crumbles to the ground though we refuse to see
Dust in the wind
All we are is dust in the wind
Oh, ho, ho
Now, don't hang on, nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky
It slips away
And all your money won't another minute buy
Dust in the wind
All we are is dust in the wind
All we are is dust in the wind
Dust in the wind
Everything is dust in the wind
Everything is dust in the wind
The wind
Songwriters: Kerry Livgren / Kerry A Livgren
Dust in the Wind lyrics © Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC
MJFlores
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3 Billion years....that long?
Matter and anti-matter cannot just pop up by itself
Unless of course, somebody did it, don't you think?
Somebody who could finish everything in less than a week.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
memories .....that came out when I was sooooooo much younger
and could still hit that high note