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BSM1

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Jollybear said:
I know the answer! :D i know, i know!

We told him for the same reason we tell others about other laws.

Its not told to punish, its told to create order.

Also, its not knowing about God that counts, its knowing and obeying the golden rule.
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But..but..he may have already been living by the 'Golden Rule'.
 
Skwim

Skwim

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Here's how I see it breaking down:

It's unethical to hold people liable for not knowing things they have no reason to know.

Therefore, an ethical god would not send such a person to hell for being ignorant of god's sin/salvation program.

Also, if a person is not convinced a thing is true it would be because no one has presented a convincing case for it, which would not be his fault. In which case the responsibility lies with others, and he shouldn't be held responsible for their failure.

Therefore, an ethical god wouldn't send such a person to hell for being unconvinced of his sin/salvation program.​

So, the only people in true jeopardy of being sent to hell are those who buy into the sin/salvation program but don't measure up.

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Jollybear

Jollybear

Hey
Skwim said:
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Here's how I see it breaking down:

It's unethical to hold people liable for not knowing things they have no reason to know.

Therefore, an ethical god would not send such a person to hell for being ignorant of god's sin/salvation program.

Also, if a person is not convinced a thing is true it would be because no one has presented a convincing case for it, which wouldn't be his fault. In which case the responsibility lies with others, and he shouldn't be held responsible for their failure.

Therefore, an ethical god wouldn't send such a person to hell for being unconvinced of his sin/salvation program.​

So, the only people in true jeopardy of being sent to hell are those who buy into the sin/salvation program but don't measure up.

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Its not about being convinced of the truths of the bible, its about the golden rule.

Also, why are the buyers of the bible in true jeopardy of hell again? You lost me there.
 
Skwim

Skwim

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Jollybear said:
Its not about being convinced of the truths of the bible, its about the golden rule.
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The Golden Rule is the principle of treating others as one's self would wish to be treated. It is a maxim that is found in many religions and cultures. The Golden Rule can be considered an ethic of reciprocity in some religions, although other religions treat it differently.
Source:Wikipedia​

Not being unique to Christianity, there's no pressing reason to adopt the religion.

Also, why are the buyers of the bible in true jeopardy of hell again? You lost me there.
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All others have a legitimate reason not to be sent to hell, so who's left? Those who believe in god's sin/salvation program. And god is determined that someone is going to roast in hell, so dress for warm weather bucko! ;)

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lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

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Remté said:
I'm not a Christian myself. I don't see why this need be about Christianity.
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You think the person speaking to the hypothetical Eskimo in the op was not Christian?
Why would you think that?

Obviously the OP isn't a universal statement on religion, but is more specifically tied to particular beliefs. Beliefs which...as I mentioned...have caused considerable discussion in the Catholic Church over a very long period.
 
sealchan

sealchan

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Epic Beard Man said:
Quite the interesting religious paradox isn't it? Earth's indigenous cultures apparently have this innocent ignorance when it comes to the evangelization from members of the Abrahamic traditions. They see these cultures ignorant of the "true faith" because they've never picked up a Bible or a Qur'an so to save them from their ignorant innocence they tell them thereby making them accountable when they didn't have to be before.
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I think that in literate cultures people value externalized knowledge over that of internalized knowledge. So priests speaking to non-literate cultures think they are providing value and the oral culture listener just wonders what sort of curse they have just been given.
 
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Skwim said:
So, Why?

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Answer is, No one is going to hell because knows God and hell. People get eternal life if they are righteous. Person can become righteous through words of Jesus, that is why it is important to spread the word.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23
 
Jollybear

Jollybear

Hey
Skwim said:
The Golden Rule is the principle of treating others as one's self would wish to be treated. It is a maxim that is found in many religions and cultures. The Golden Rule can be considered an ethic of reciprocity in some religions, although other religions treat it differently.
Source:Wikipedia​

Not being unique to Christianity, there's no pressing reason to adopt the religion.
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Your missing the point. When God examines people, he looks for the golden rule in there heart and actions. He dont look for what religious label one has.

All others have a legitimate reason not to be sent to hell, so who's left? Those who believe in god's sin/salvation program. And god is determined that someone is going to roast in hell, so dress for warm weather bucko! ;)
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This part still dont make much sense too me. If all christians are going to hell in your view, WHY will they, but not others? And why wpuld God arbitrarily send them but no one else who is equally human like them?
 
Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
1213 said:
Answer is, No one is going to hell because knows God and hell.
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Not sure what you mean here.

People get eternal life if they are righteous. Person can become righteous through words of Jesus, that is why it is important to spread the word.
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So those who have never heard of god's sin/salvation program before they die are SOL. Kind of unfair don't you think?

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Remté

Remté

Active Member
DavidMcCann said:
But the two things are not equivalent. Everyone knows what wrongdoing exists: no society believes that it's acceptable to murder your parents for their money. But "sin" is the concept of a specific type of wrongdoing — ignoring divine commands — which only applies in systems like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

The original post, although funny makes a serious point. In Christianity, a person who knows nothing of the faith, and who leads a good life, is "saved". A person who knows about Christianity and rejects it is "damned", no matter how good their life.
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Sin has a vider meaning as a word. Besides, it's just an excuse to separate it from any other wrong doing.

How does Christianity teach a person who rejects Christianity is damned?
 
Remté

Remté

Active Member
TagliatelliMonster said:
It's kind of implied in the OP.

It talks about "sin" and "hell" and the one being asked about it is a "priest".

Sounds pretty christian to me. What other religion could it be, considering that terminology?
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Take away the priest and it could be any other Abrahamic religion. If it needs to be limited to Christianity to be evaluated then it is useless from a spiritual point of view.
 
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