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The wrath of God

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Humans are free moral agents, meaning we have the ability to make choices. The animal has no similar choice, but rather they follow instinct; plan. Humans have lost instinct ,in exchange for choice.

As an analogy, say you were part of AI; artificial intelligence, development team. The goal of AI, is for a computer program and hardware, that can make its own choices, and not just be an automaton that obeys its programing, 100%. It supposed to have free will, and be able to make decisions that are not anticipated. This is how you will know the AI is alive.

Since destruction is easier than building, the first baby steps of the AI, will be simple and often destructive. The two year old child can destroy your 1000 piece puzzle, much easier that it can help you build it. On the one hand, you will marvel at its autonomous behavior, but on the other, if it started to erase the code, you would be pissed. Yet, you would try to be patient, since this is the growing pains of the AI.

Once the AI gets over the hump, and starts to become more constructive than destructive, then the marvel combines with your sense of pride in the new invention. The Old Testament God had to deal with a new AI firmware, within the human brain, that gave it autonomy. This autonomy was good, but the growing pains began very destructive, like the terrible two's of childhood. This created mixed feelings and frustrating days in the earth lab.

By the time of Jesus, the AI had finally stabilized; age four, and was on the upswing, but not yet perfect. Forgiveness of sins is now more acceptable, since the destruction of code, now appears to lead to the AI, writing its own code. This is marvelous and requires we withhold judgment and be patient.

This line of reasoning concerning human Will, and the development of A1 intelligence is very confusing and full of misinformation.

First, the nature of human will, and the nature and potential of free will has not changed since the first human became human hundreds of thousands, possibly millions, of years ago. There is not evidence that humans changed from the Old Testament world to the New Testament world.

Second, the nature of the human decision making process has been demonstrated not to be autonomous or a 'completely free will agent' as the concept of libertarian free will would claim. What is called free will in humans remains subject to the limited choices based on the prior chain of the outcomes of cause and effect events including evolutionary limits on our decision making choices, and choices humans make. Some sort of limited free will may exist, but the degree has not been determined. Some form of compatibilist human will is most likely the case.

Third, the goal of A1 intelligence is not to achieve a 100% autonomous decision making process in computers, but to achieve a degree of intelligence decision making process with a degree of freedom similar to humans, and maybe more freedom than humans without the cultural, and evolutionary bias that would limit the process that humans have.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
How many have considered that God cannot be love, as the scriptures indicate, if He is not displeased with wrongdoing, does not exercise justice. and have plans to eliminate injustice and evil ?
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Ditto.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
People who earned God's wrath in this case.

Every single plant, animal and human including innocent children and inborn?

How does a fetus earn your gods wrath?

How does a suckling babe earn your gods wrath?
 

Remté

Active Member
Every single plant, animal and human including innocent children and inborn?

How does a fetus earn your gods wrath?

How does a suckling babe earn your gods wrath?
A baby or any creature not capable of choosing right from wrong indeed cannot incur the wrath of God. But they can die. All in God's plan. Besides that, it is widely believed that if this happens it is due to the sin of someone near. Some Muslims, for instance, believe that if one person does something bad he may be punished with all his family members and even friends or aquintances.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
A baby or any creature not capable of choosing right from wrong indeed cannot incur the wrath of God. But they can die. All in God's plan. Besides that, it is widely believed that if this happens it is due to the sin of someone near. Some Muslims, for instance, believe that if one person does something bad he may be punished with all his family members and even friends or aquintances.

According to the bible they can be murdered by your god

And punishing others for a crime they didnt commit is just?
 

Remté

Active Member
According to the bible they can be murdered by your god
I wouldn't readily mix the Bible in it.
And punishing others for a crime they didnt commit is just?
Not exactly, in my opinion. I only mentioned that some believe it happens/can happen. If it does happen I don't believe it is because it is just, but because it is part of God's plan. Many of these stories you speak of are warnings for all human kind.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I wouldn't readily mix the Bible in it.

Not exactly, in my opinion. I only mentioned that some believe it happens/can happen. If it does happen I don't believe it is because it is just, but because it is part of God's plan. Many of these stories you speak of are warnings for all human kind.

The bible is the book i know

Some warning, 'there you are all dead, now dont ever forget to worship me again... Oh, where is everyone'

Or "look i have killed your children, now do you love me?"

Nope not a warning but the work of a psychopath.
 
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