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The wrath of God

InChrist

Free4ever
Does the idea of God's wrath seem negative or harsh? I often hear people say something like, "God of the OT was wrathful, but loving in the NT". Yet both the OT and the NT portray God as a holy Judge who expresses anger and brings judgment against wrongdoing, injustice and evil. It appears His very character of love, holiness, purity, perfection, and orderliness is contrary to all disorder.

How many have considered that God cannot be love, as the scriptures indicate, if He is not displeased with wrongdoing, does not exercise justice. and have plans to eliminate injustice and evil ?
 
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columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Does the idea of God's wrath seem negative or harsh?
Yes.
But more importantly, it seems irrational.

Why would an omnimax entity be wrathful when His creations exhibit the traits He gave them?
He wouldn't, is the rational answer. But various religionists will keep on giving me irrational answers to support their other irrational beliefs.
Tom
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Yes.
But more importantly, it seems irrational.

Why would an omnimax entity be wrathful when His creations exhibit the traits He gave them?
He wouldn't, is the rational answer. But various religionists will keep on giving me irrational answers to support their other irrational beliefs.
Tom
I don't think you can support the idea that the biblical God gave sinful traits to His creatures. According to the scriptures humans were created in God's image, yet sin is falling short or a violation of God's perfect traits. The scriptures do indicate God gave humans freedom and choice to live in His love and obey His perfect will or violate it
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I probably should have specified more clearly the biblical God, but referenced the OT and NT. Who is your God anyway?
Siva. The devil to you.

Maybe ask the mods to move it to biblical debates.
 
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InChrist

Free4ever
'Wrath' by definition means extreme vengeful anger, which is in conflict with the right way to live in my worldview, so yes, for me, it is both negative and harsh.
Thanks for your thoughts. I may try to comment later. I have other things to get done now.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
I don't think you can support the idea that the biblical God gave sinful traits to His creatures.
I can't support the idea that biblical God exists.
Nor can you.
We have something in common.

According to the scriptures humans were created in God's image, yet sin is falling short or a violation of God's perfect traits.
But Scripture is your preferred fiction.
It isn't mine. So, it doesn't matter to me. You are the one who has to explain why Scripture is so often wrong.

The scriptures do indicate God gave humans freedom and choice to live in His love and obey His perfect will or violate it
It also indicates that reality came to exist a few thousand years ago. :shrug:
I think it's all a docudrama. A bit of truth and a bunch drama, designed to convince the credible that it's more than that.

Like you.
Tom
 

Remté

Active Member
People who don't find it concise I imagine are bad people. By bad people I don't necessarily mean murderers or thieves, but people who aren't strictly on the side of justice - actively.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
People who don't find it concise I imagine are bad people. By bad people I don't necessarily mean murderers or thieves, but people who aren't strictly on the side of justice - actively.

Since you left no pronoun antecedent, I'm going to conclude that by "it" you are meaning "wrath of God."

You may find it hard to believe, but there are those of us that can have moral values without fear of consequence.
 

Remté

Active Member
Since you left no pronoun antecedent, I'm going to conclude that by "it" you are meaning "wrath of God."

You may find it hard to believe, but there are those of us that can have moral values without fear of consequence.
I do doubt it indeed. Doing evil corrupts the soul. No escaping it. The more evil one does the less they notice the decay of their soul.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Does the idea of God's wrath seem negative or harsh? I often hear people say something like, "God of the OT was wrathful, but loving in the NT". Yet both the OT and the NT portray God as a holy Judge who expresses anger and brings judgment against wrongdoing, injustice and evil. It appears His very character of love, holiness, purity, perfection, and orderliness is contrary to all disorder.

How many have considered that God cannot be love, as the scriptures indicate, if He is not displeased with wrongdoing, does not exercise justice. and have plans to eliminate injustice and evil ?

Ancient mythical human views of an anthropomorphic God only justify those that believe God does not exist. The threat of the wrath of God was a very good way for those in charge to keep the sheep in line.
 

Ellen Brown

Well-Known Member
Does the idea of God's wrath seem negative or harsh? I often hear people say something like, "God of the OT was wrathful, but loving in the NT". Yet both the OT and the NT portray God as a holy Judge who expresses anger and brings judgment against wrongdoing, injustice and evil. It appears His very character of love, holiness, purity, perfection, and orderliness is contrary to all disorder.

How many have considered that God cannot be love, as the scriptures indicate, if He is not displeased with wrongdoing, does not exercise justice. and have plans to eliminate injustice and evil ?

I'm not perfect, but I don't think about a wrathful God much. I love God and obey him as much as I can.
 

JChnsc19

Member
Does the idea of God's wrath seem negative or harsh? I often hear people say something like, "God of the OT was wrathful, but loving in the NT". Yet both the OT and the NT portray God as a holy Judge who expresses anger and brings judgment against wrongdoing, injustice and evil. It appears His very character of love, holiness, purity, perfection, and orderliness is contrary to all disorder.

How many have considered that God cannot be love, as the scriptures indicate, if He is not displeased with wrongdoing, does not exercise justice. and have plans to eliminate injustice and evil ?
Love, holiness, purity & perfection is on display in Exodus 21 & Numbers 31?
 

Maximilian

Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
Does the idea of God's wrath seem negative or harsh? I often hear people say something like, "God of the OT was wrathful, but loving in the NT". Yet both the OT and the NT portray God as a holy Judge who expresses anger and brings judgment against wrongdoing, injustice and evil. It appears His very character of love, holiness, purity, perfection, and orderliness is contrary to all disorder.

How many have considered that God cannot be love, as the scriptures indicate, if He is not displeased with wrongdoing, does not exercise justice. and have plans to eliminate injustice and evil ?



"When I say to someone wicked, ‘Wicked one, you will surely die!’ but you do not speak out to warn the wicked one to change his course, he will die as a wicked man because of his own error, but I will ask his blood back from you.

But if you warn someone wicked to turn back from his way and he refuses to change his course, he will die for his error, but you will certainly save your own life.

‘“As surely as I am alive,” declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, “I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that someone wicked changes his way and keeps living. Turn back, turn back from your bad ways, for why should you die?" -Ezekiel 33:8, 9, 11
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Ancient mythical human views of an anthropomorphic God only justify those that believe God does not exist. The threat of the wrath of God was a very good way for those in charge to keep the sheep in line.
I'm not under the impression that the threat of God's wrath is such a good way to keep the sheep in line, at least I don't see that in the Bible.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
I'm not perfect, but I don't think about a wrathful God much. I love God and obey him as much as I can.
I don't think about God's wrath usually, but I was reading a passage the other day about it. My perspective is as the scriptures say... Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love. We love Him because He first loved us.
1 John 4:17-19

I'm not perfect either, so I'm thankful for God's gift of love and perfection in Christ.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
I can't support the idea that biblical God exists.
Nor can you.
We have something in common.


But Scripture is your preferred fiction.
It isn't mine. So, it doesn't matter to me. You are the one who has to explain why Scripture is so often wrong.


It also indicates that reality came to exist a few thousand years ago. :shrug:
I think it's all a docudrama. A bit of truth and a bunch drama, designed to convince the credible that it's more than that.

Like you.
Tom
If the scriptures are only fiction to you, okay, but I wasn't intending by this thread to prove or debate whether the scriptures are right or wrong. Thanks for your thoughts anyway.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Love, holiness, purity & perfection is on display in Exodus 21 & Numbers 31?
I think pulling passages out of historical context with the intention of making God appear unloving reveals ignorance and a disingenuous interest in sincerely trying to understand what the scriptures are saying or why something happened as it did...

Exodus 21...
Bible Says It’s Okay to Beat Your Slave, As Long As They Don’t Die? Exodus 21:20-21?

Numbers 31...
The Killings of Numbers 31
 
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