The wall costs the government $10 more than a large pizza.

[Notanumber]

Anything that helps to protect security operatives while protecting their country has to be a good thing.

Hungary Builds a Wall, Cuts Illegal Immigration by Over 99 Per Cent

 

[LuisDantas]

Anything that helps to protect security operatives while protecting their country has to be a good thing.

Hungary Builds a Wall, Cuts Illegal Immigration by Over 99 Per Cent

Certainly. If it comes for free and there are no downsides to it.

If it involves significant expenses (of public money, no less), involves a lot of operational challenges, and has very questionable usefulness, though? Not so much.

 

[sayak83]

People often think they're not affected by illegal immigration, but unless you're truly a member of the elite class of people who needs no resource directly from the government it generally has an influence on everyone.

You pay more taxes toward law enforcement, welfare, education, welfare, and infrastructure. It's not like there is some vacuum where every single dollar wasted on a non-citizen doesn't have a direct influence on your quality of life. It does, even if you don't know what you're missing. When things go bad for a citizen they're competing for the same resources that the illegals are using as subsistence money. That's the problem, it's literally thieving cash from our poorer citizens -- we don't need to be geniuses to figure out that the poor are really the only people you can take this money from. So, I guess, in a nutshell, that is what bothers me. It's not the silly drug wars, the anecdotal violent crime, or whatever. It's a real on-going problem, and the people that are really paying for the mistake of not securing the border are the ones least able to handle the loss. (Largely, because they're the only ones the politicians can shaft, since they also conversely donate the least money to campaigns and so on.)

There is a lot of opportunity cost -- young people aren't able to compete for starting jobs due to near-slave labor being available either. So, not only are the poor being stolen from, but their chance to not be poor at all is greatly diminished. It's impossible to "hold wages up" and import more people, basic economics and supply and demand apply to the working population as well. If there is a great influx of foreign workers (legal or not) there is a tendency for wages to fall sharply. Thus, the standard of living, in general degrades with it.

Opinion vs facts. Here goes.
4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy
I prefer (nearly) open borders. Anybody without murder/rape or violent robbery charge should be able to get in when they want where they want.

 

[Notanumber]

Opinion vs facts. Here goes.
4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy
I prefer (nearly) open borders. Anybody without murder/rape or violent robbery charge should be able to get in when they want where they want.

Is there enough room in the USA for the whole of Africa never mind the rest of the world even if only non-criminals are allowed?

If not, where is the line drawn and who decides where it is drawn?

 

[Mindmaster]

Opinion vs facts. Here goes.
4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy
I prefer (nearly) open borders. Anybody without murder/rape or violent robbery charge should be able to get in when they want where they want.

Yes, slave labor is great for our economy, no doubt. But, the numbers in this report are rubbish. First, the place an American pays the most taxes is home ownership, illegals cannot own homes unless they're buying it with cash. (Hint: they're not.) Certainly, they're paying the same taxes on consumables (sales tax) etc, but what that amount is over a population is hard to say. (Who actually keeps track of that, themselves?)

And, no, if you are in most of the democratically run states you can easily get welfare and aid as an illegal alien.In Illinois, you can get public aid, a drivers license, and nearly anything else. All you really can't get is a social security card, and that doesn't matter if you want to keep working as a slave since no one will expect you to have one for those jobs anyway. In California, you can get even more -- it almost doesn't matter if you're illegal at all.

Anyway, this article completely conflates illegals with legal immigrants which annoys me, and is rubbish.

If our workforce shrank due to low birth rates, our salaries would go up -- it'd be a good thing, lol.

 

[sayak83]

Yes, slave labor is great for our economy, no doubt. But, the numbers in this report are rubbish. First, the place an American pays the most taxes is home ownership, illegals cannot own homes unless they're buying it with cash. (Hint: they're not.) Certainly, they're paying the same taxes on consumables (sales tax) etc, but what that amount is over a population is hard to say. (Who actually keeps track of that, themselves?)

And, no, if you are in most of the democratically run states you can easily get welfare and aid as an illegal alien.In Illinois, you can get public aid, a drivers license, and nearly anything else. All you really can't get is a social security card, and that doesn't matter if you want to keep working as a slave since no one will expect you to have one for those jobs anyway. In California, you can get even more -- it almost doesn't matter if you're illegal at all.

Anyway, this article completely conflates illegals with legal immigrants which annoys me, and is rubbish.

If our workforce shrank due to low birth rates, our salaries would go up -- it'd be a good thing, lol.

The numbers are based on academic research. Please share peer reviewed scientific articles to demonstrate they are rubbish. Otherwise your opinion remains baseless.

Meanwhile illegal immigrants help make US flourish.
Is immigration bad for the economy? 4 essential reads

 

[sayak83]

Is there enough room in the USA for the whole of Africa never mind the rest of the world even if only non-criminals are allowed?

If not, where is the line drawn and who decides where it is drawn?

There is no need for a line. The no. of available jobs will automatically constrain immigration. After going out is also unrestricted.

 

[Mindmaster]

The numbers are based on academic research. Please share peer reviewed scientific articles to demonstrate they are rubbish. Otherwise your opinion remains baseless.

Meanwhile illegal immigrants help make US flourish.
Is immigration bad for the economy? 4 essential reads

These, are, legal, immigrants.

 

[Notanumber]

There is no need for a line. The no. of available jobs will automatically constrain immigration. After going out is also unrestricted.

I am not sure how even the USA could cope with these figures.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/continents/africa-population/

How can an open borders policy be a success?

 

[fantome profane]

, illegals cannot own homes unless they're buying it with cash. (Hint: they're not.)

Illegals do own homes. They have been known to own businesses, if this sounds messed up, it is.

But you have got to acknowledge how messed up it is, and how long it has been messed up before you can even start fixing it.

 

[sayak83]

I am not sure how even the USA could cope with these figures.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/continents/africa-population/

How can an open borders policy be a success?

You are confused. Only a small percentage of migrants will ever make such a trip. You are crazy to think all African people wish to leave Africa. You must have very biased opinion about African countries.
Further, I am saying open borders as a general principle for all countries that are at peace with each other and with intensive trading connections, not only for US alone and not for the whole world.
Like free trade zone, we should have free migration zones as well. (But not single currency..that was the mistake the EU made).

 

[sayak83]

These, are, legal, immigrants, derp.

No. Half of the article is about illegal immigration and its beneficial effects.

Do you even read??
While undocumented immigrants make up 5 percent of the overall workforce, they comprise more than half of the nation’s farmworkers and 15 percent of construction laborers, she notes.

With the number of workers needed in those jobs set to soar in the coming years, the need for undocumented workers in the U.S. will only grow. The rise in border enforcement and immigration raids “has meant fresh produce has been gone unpicked, left to rot in fields,” Dudley writes.

“One New York apple grower told us that due to labor shortages and dwindling prices for his red delicious variety, he plans to let his 100-year-old orchard go, because any investments in production would result in significant economic loss,” she says.

“Over the last two decades, U.S. recruitment of workers without documentation has drawn millions over the border even as we have invested billions in policing, barricades and surveillance on that same border,” she writes.

Her research showed that many companies have organized their businesses around an immigrant labor force. Owners often told her that undocumented workers cost less and work harder than Americans.

In fact, economists estimate that if we deported all undocumented workers – as Trump has in the past proposed – GDP would fall 5.7 percent, Nelson writes. Instead, she suggests the U.S. give them a path to citizenship.

 

[Notanumber]

You are confused. Only a small percentage of migrants will ever make such a trip. You are crazy to think all African people wish to leave Africa. You must have very biased opinion about African countries.
Further, I am saying open borders as a general principle for all countries that are at peace with each other and with intensive trading connections, not only for US alone and not for the whole world.
Like free trade zone, we should have free migration zones as well. (But not single currency..that was the mistake the EU made).

I would never call you confused, crazy or biased, but if you disagree with what I said look at this example.

 

[sayak83]

I would never call you confused, crazy or biased, but if you disagree with what I said look at this example.

The video is from whom and what are his/her credentials?

 

[Notanumber]

The video is from whom and what are his/her credentials?

He has all the facts and the figures.

I have watched other videos that he has produced and he is very thorough.

The only problem is because he is so thorough they tend to be rather lengthy.

 

[sayak83]

He has all the facts and the figures.

I have watched other videos that he has produced and he is very thorough.

The only problem is because he is so thorough they tend to be rather lengthy.

I asked for his credentials.

 

[Notanumber]

I asked for his credentials.

What credentials does he need in order to tell the truth?

Do politicians have credentials and do they tell the truth?

Watch the start of his video and see if you can contradict anything he says or illustrates.

 

[sayak83]

What credentials does he need in order to tell the truth?

Do politicians have credentials and do they tell the truth?

Watch the start of his video and see if you can contradict anything he says or illustrates.

Politicians have no credentials and they do not tell the truth.
I only accept work that is done has part of a scientific study and published in a peer reviewed journals or academic books. Anything else I reject as unestablished opinions.

 

[Stevicus]

I only accept work that is done has part of a scientific study and published in a peer reviewed journals or academic books. Anything else I reject as unestablished opinions.

Don't you think that's a rather narrow way of looking at things?

 

[sayak83]

Don't you think that's a rather narrow way of looking at things?

No. It's the only source of information that has some reliability due to the training that academics usually go through.