Explain to me why god is real using facts

[PureX]

Many, many mutually contradictory gods exist as ideas in people's minds. Either one or more of them exist independently of human minds or not. That must be either true or false.

Either a believer thinks that her god(s) are just ideas or have an existence independently of anybody's beliefs or she doesn't.

Many, many, different kinds of weather can exist in the minds of the humans perceiving it, simultaneously. This does not mean that "weather" is not real. Nor does it mean that anyone's perception of weather must be true or false. Reality, as it is experience by we humans, is relative. And therefor "truth" is multiplex and paradoxical.

Think of "God" like weather. It's not a question of if it exists or not. It's a question of how it is being defined, and thereby how it is being perceived.

 

[ratiocinator]

Many, many, different kinds of weather can exist in the minds of the humans perceiving it, simultaneously.

Not if they're in the same place a measuring the weather using intersubjective means (wind speed, rainfall, air pressure, and so on).

You're just ignoring the point that either all these ideas of gods are just ideas in human minds or one or more of them has some existence independent of human minds.

It can't be both. If every human died, would there be any god(s)?

 

[PureX]

Not if they're in the same place a measuring the weather using intersubjective means (wind speed, rainfall, air pressure, and so on).

That's not weather. That's wind speed, rainfall, air pressure, and so on. Weather is our subjective experience of these various phenomena. And different people combine different aspects of these experienced phenomena together, to form their understanding and definition of "the weather". Just like different people combine different aspects of what we humans generally refer to as "God" to form their own individual concept and experience of "God".

You're just ignoring the point that either all these ideas of gods are just ideas in human minds or one or more of them has some existence independent of human minds.

No one is debating that these ideas of God are ideas in the human mind. But like our ideas of "weather", they are ideas based on actual experienced phenomena. And like the weather, whichever of these actual experiences we attribute to "God" define the "God" we 'believe in', and through that definition, define how we experience our God-ideal going forward.

You are trying to impose an absurdly over-simplistic 'false dichotomy' on something that is neither simple nor dichotomous. And I think you're doing this because you have fallen into the intellectually debilitating trap of philosophical materialism. That is the trap of presuming that reality is limited to and defined by only it's material expression.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I laughed because of the generalization. Not all of us are like that.

I'm not that big on needing proof for god; but, how does archaeologist and paleontologist prove god?

Wouldn't it be fine if theists accept god exist by faith and belief without need to find evidence in a non-evidence structured belief system?​

I know the first verse in Hebrews mentions faith is belief without seeing. Atheists, Theists, Buddhist, Pantheists as archaeologists and paleontologists try to prove god for centuries. Only on RF do I know atheists who debate about god. A lot of us in the real world generally don't care. Yet, you see christian t.v., christian magazines, radio, online, RF, etc try to prove and find existence of god as if an invisible (or saying there is evidence like you just died) being will show up in visible things.

The nature of god just doesn't work like christians (who care about physical proof) and atheists (who care about evidence) want it to.

Atheist make up such a small percentage of the world that generalizations are easy but not accurate at all.

I know (assuming) you may just look over this; however, my questions are genuine regardless to any who wants to answer these I'd appreciate it.

How do archaeologist and paleontologist prove evidence of god?
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This "evidence" needs to be something universal. John Doe in Austria, Barbara in Japan, and Kathleen in the U.S. regardless our religions or lack thereof should look at these evidences and say "there is a god" without needing to believe anything about him.

Why do you need to have physical evidence for the existence of god?

What's the use of all these t.v. shows and movies by christians try to prove an invisible god? To me it seems like trying to prove the other wrong. Why?​

We know christ did exist. I personally don't deny that. I also know archaeologist and paleontologist and other history proves people believe in gods and what they say about god.

However, it depends on the person as to whether these things are taken as history or do they put meaning and spiritual value to them. It's not an atheist thing; we aren't blind.

Here is a good site about proving the existence of god. Atheist probably created this site too since it isn't bias to whom a person believes in the workfield.

What Archaeology Is Telling Us About the Real Jesus

How does paleontology and archaeology prove an invisible being?

It proves jesus christ exist but how does it prove his father?

I'm intentionally repeating the questions.

Edit Even another probably even more complex question. How do these things prove jesus is god?

Go see the findings of the archaeologist and paleontology.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Go see the findings of the archaeologist and paleontology.

I'm serious.

You said they show a person god. I am asking you how (and the other questions); because, when I do see what you're talking about, I don't get god from it. Are you able to explain it? Is it hard to explain? Do you know how yourself or is it a feeling you know but mysterious to describe?

Not all of us are the atheists you are talking about. Hence, why I wrote the post.

 

[ratiocinator]

That's not weather. That's wind speed, rainfall, air pressure, and so on. Weather is our subjective experience of these various phenomena.

No, it isn't. We have a subjective impression of the weather but the various things that make it up are intersubjectively verifiable.

You are trying to impose an absurdly over-simplistic 'false dichotomy' on something that is neither simple nor dichotomous.

Of course it's a dichotomy. Ether some god(s) would remain in existence if there were no humans or not.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I'm serious.

You said they show a person god. I am asking you how (and the other questions); because, when I do see what you're talking about, I don't get god from it. Are you able to explain it? Is it hard to explain? Do you know how yourself or is it a feeling you know but mysterious to describe?

Not all of us are the atheists you are talking about. Hence, why I wrote the post.

Go there and find out.

I was in the answering back when the person who posted the Thread saying

( Basically, I am an atheist right, so I would like for you to explain to me why your god is real and use facts not opinions, please)

So here we find the person admitting to be a Atheist.
So I answered, by saying check out on the internet about the findings of the archaeologist and paleontology.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Go there and find out.

I was in the answering back when the person who posted the Thread saying

( Basically, I am an atheist right, so I would like for you to explain to me why your god is real and use facts not opinions, please)

So here we find the person admitting to be a Atheist.
So I answered, by saying check out on the internet about the findings of the archaeologist and paleontology.

Yes. It doesn't speak for itself.

When you have conversations you have to explain your views some more. On the internet, not a lot of us see in the same way. We are from different cultures and backgrounds. I never knew what a god was. I have no reason to reject god. I wasn't in an environment to do so; so, I am asking you out of ignorance.

When you look at archaeology, how do you see god?

Did you look into the wonders of god's creation and built the conclusion its from god or did you just take his word for it?

 

[GoodbyeDave]

What theists constantly run away from is the burden of proof. They seem to know that they have no valid reasons for their beliefs

As I said in post 82, I believe in the gods because I have experienced several of them. If experience is not a valid reason, I'm at a loss to know what could be. But there is always an alternative theory. For example, if you don't want to believe in evolution, you will find explanations for fossils. If you believe the Earth is flat, you will find explanations for satellite photos. And if you want to be an atheist, you find explanations for religious experience.

 

[ratiocinator]

As I said in post 82, I believe in the gods because I have experienced several of them. If experience is not a valid reason, I'm at a loss to know what could be.

Two problems: firstly, how do you know that your experience was of gods, and secondly, why do the people who claim to have experienced god(s) tell us different and contradictory things about it/them?

 

[Valjean]

So say the atheists, who believe that a universe of mindless matter created this cosmos in a mere 13.8 billion years. What a laugh.

A textbook example of Argument from Personal Incredulity.
Before you condemn it, you'd do well to actually understand the physics the cosmology is based on.

Reveal your evidence, when and how did the first life form appear on earth, and is this universe which blasted out some 13.8 billion years ago, the first and only universe ever to have evolveWhat were you taught in high school biology?d.

We have revealed our evidence. How did you miss it? What were you taught in high school biology?
The evidence exists in countless textbooks, and is all over the internet,
Evidently, you missed it.

"First and only universe?" Unknown -- and a hot topic in cosmology, but what's your point?

Remembering that the Space station which evolved from the wheel, had a creator.

LOL! -- It didn't "evolve" in the same way organisms do, through reproductive variation and natural selection.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

I don't even know what a real god ─ a god with objective existence ─ could be. What constitutes the quality of 'godness' anyway? If I found a real candidate, what objective test would tell me whether it were God ─ had godness ─ or not?

Is a virus alive? Is the USA a democracy? Is John Cage's 4′33″ music? Many categories are polythetic: they are defined by a number of characteristics, not all of which need to be present. The concept that every category X can be defined by the possession of the single quality of X-ness may have done for Plato, but we have moved on in the last two millennia.

If we look at the concepts of kami in Japan, shen in China, theoi in ancient Greece, nakyuru in ancient Egypt, they are all similar. They are basically entities which are proper objects of human worship: that's as close to a definition of "god" that you are going to get. As for an "objective test" of whether any individual fits that definition, that's no more possible than finding an objective test of whether any country is a democracy or whether any person is a poet.

 

[Valjean]

Can you prove that energy has a beginning and an end? Can you prove that the electromagnetic energy that was spewed out in the trillions of trillions of degree in the event that is called the Big Bang has not become all that exists?

What alternative are you proposing? Magic?

 

[Valjean]

Good question, because all Atheists wants is an argument and that's all, so why waste your time. If he really wants evidence of God, as there are many place on the internet to look up for the existence of God.

OK -- link us to a few. Keep in mind; personal anecdotes, folklore and arguments from incredulity are not evidence.

Look up what the archaeologist and paleontologist have found, there lays the proof in their findings.

I know of no archaeological finds that support God or theology. Historical evidence does not confirm folklore. Places and events of the era were common knowledge.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

Two problems: firstly, how do you know that your experience was of gods, and secondly, why do the people who claim to have experienced god(s) tell us different and contradictory things about it/them?

As I said in post 173, one can make a rough definition of a god and the gods that I (and many, many others) have experienced meet that definition.

People saying different things about different gods is hardly a problem. For that matter, saying different things about the same god is not necessarily a problem. Would the same woman be identically described by her child, her spouse, her mother, her neighbours, her colleagues?

 

[Valjean]

As I said in post 82, I believe in the gods because I have experienced several of them. If experience is not a valid reason, I'm at a loss to know what could be. But there is always an alternative theory. For example, if you don't want to believe in evolution, you will find explanations for fossils. If you believe the Earth is flat, you will find explanations for satellite photos. And if you want to be an atheist, you find explanations for religious experience.

How are you defining "explanation?"
Personal experience is fine -- for you. But without reproducible, supporting evidence it must remain forever personal.

 

[Valjean]

Go see the findings of the archaeologist and paleontology.

Again, like others posting here, I don't see the connection. What is this archaeological/ paleontological evidence?

 

[GoodbyeDave]

How are you defining "explanation?"

The same way that any native speaker of English, or a foreigner possessed of a dictionary, would define it.

Personal experience is fine -- for you. But without reproducible, supporting evidence it must remain forever personal.

X sees a bird and says "Isn't that a goldcrest?" Y looks and says "Yes". Two cases of personal experience. X and Y both experience a god with the same characteristics. Two cases of personal experience. Where's the difference?

 

[Faithofchristian]

OK -- link us to a few. Keep in mind; personal anecdotes, folklore and arguments from incredulity are not evidence.
I know of no archaeological finds that support God or theology. Historical evidence does not confirm folklore. Places and events of the era were common knowledge.

I know quite bit of Archaeology and paleontology findings that supports what is written in the bible.

But then people have no clue or idea about the 3 heavens and Earth ages, that are written about in the bible. If people did then people could put the pieces together how the bible supports the findings of Archaeology and Paleontology.

 

[oldbadger]

Basically, I am an atheist right, so I would like for you to explain to me why your god is real and use facts not opinions, please.

Hi..........
Couple of questions to help us get started...............
1. Do you believe that a Big Bang produced our Universe?
2. Do you think that our Universe is unique and solitary?
3. ...or do you think that our Universe might be surrounded by other Universes?

Your answers to the above could help immensely...
Thankyou..