Ellen Brown
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The answer to Original Sin, and the Atonement? Can it be that God made defective people? Did he do it on purpose? What?
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I'd love to help you out, but as Judaism does not teach a doctrine of original sin that must be atoned for, I really don't have anything to offer as an answer to your query.The answer to Original Sin, and the Atonement? Can it be that God made defective people? Did he do it on purpose? What?
I'd love to help you out, but as Judaism does not teach a doctrine of original sin that must be atoned for, I really don't have anything to offer as an answer to your query.
I am sure, though, that other members will be glad to provide their perspective.
You've been listening to some weird people.The answer to Original Sin, and the Atonement? Can it be that God made defective people? Did he do it on purpose? What?
The answer to Original Sin, and the Atonement? Can it be that God made defective people? Did he do it on purpose? What?
I don't know if I could give you anything on that, or that you would even care to hear it if I did, but I'll try to give you my perspective on it.
God made Michael first. Then the the heavens and angels next. Then earth and finally man. The angels had a great deal of time to mature and come to the logical conclusion that their creator was the only source of this maturation. They eventually got to the point where they could decide for themselves what was good and what was bad based upon that maturation. Like children who are born perfect. A perfect newborn child, does that make sense to you? But the child is far from mature.
Man was created perfect in this sense but needed to mature. The period of time in which man needed to do this was called the seventh day. The day of God's rest. David and Paul, with thousands of years between them and the beginning of that seventh day pointed out that we can't come into that period of time until we are mature like the angels.
Does any of this make sense to you?
It is as good as any premise. None of us really knows it all. Perhaps one day?
The answer to Original Sin, and the Atonement? Can it be that God made defective people? Did he do it on purpose? What?
The answer to Original Sin, and the Atonement? Can it be that God made defective people? Did he do it on purpose? What?
Put simply, God didn't create defective people, but what, specifically is your question about Original Sin and Atonement?
I don't have a question about either. Or rather, it angers me that men have punished and degraded women ever since. The Mormons say that Eve had to do it, but what Mormon men do to women is shameful at times. In Islam, I often heard that there were more Women in Hell than men. It just goes on and on.
As to the Atonement, I've heard so much preaching on it, and even spoken on it myself, but in the final analysis, God may follow it but most men do not.
Isn't everything God does on purpose, or does He sometimes mess up?The answer to Original Sin, and the Atonement? Can it be that God made defective people? Did he do it on purpose? What?
I don't think that's a very accurate sentiment from the Bible's perspective. Eve was deceived and Adam, who wasn't deceived was also the head so either way Eve wasn't responsible, Adam was.
I sure as hell won't argue that.
Can an expert baker make a defective bread?The answer to Original Sin, and the Atonement? Can it be that God made defective people? Did he do it on purpose? What?
So why do you personally think that Adam, had he not also been deceived, decided to eat the forbidden fruit? Could it have had something to do with the fact that Eve was to be cast out of the Garden and Adam would have been left there alone? How would he have gone about multiplying and replenishing the earth on his own? I'm just trying to understand your perspective as to what choice he really had.I don't think that's a very accurate sentiment from the Bible's perspective. Eve was deceived and Adam, who wasn't deceived was also the head so either way Eve wasn't responsible, Adam was.
I hope you wouldn't mind if I answered this question. @Earthling can still give his answer.So why do you personally think that Adam, had he not also been deceived, decided to eat the forbidden fruit? Could it have had something to do with the fact that Eve was to be cast out of the Garden and Adam would have been left there alone? How would he have gone about multiplying and replenishing the earth on his own? I'm just trying to understand your perspective as to what choice he really had.
So why do you personally think that Adam, had he not also been deceived, decided to eat the forbidden fruit? Could it have had something to do with the fact that Eve was to be cast out of the Garden and Adam would have been left there alone? How would he have gone about multiplying and replenishing the earth on his own? I'm just trying to understand your perspective as to what choice he really had.
The answer to Original Sin, and the Atonement? Can it be that God made defective people? Did he do it on purpose? What?
That's exactly why he did what he did, but he didn't have to. The Hebrew is worded, in the warning to Adam, "in dying you shall die." Which means they would begin to die. Not drop dead as soon as they ate. They lived for a long time after.