According to the UN, migration should be a human right

[Woberts]

Does it matter?

Is the truth going to be a credible defence when the United Nations have got their Blasphemy laws in place?

So you're saying that evidence doesn't matter, correct?

 

[Curious George]

Then you misunderstand human rights. Human rights are things that it is considered immoral or unethical to deny you. Sexual self determination may be thought of as a human right, but sex isn't, because the person you want to have sex with may not consent. Migration is similar. You have (arguably) a "human right" to make your own decisions about migration and to pursue those decisions as you wish. Ýou do not have a human right to migrate where ever you like, because the place you want to go may not consent.

No i think you are misunderstanding. And purposefully so.

If migration is a human right then a person has the right to migrate or not. If sex is a human right then a person has the right to have sex or not.

Now if you want to call that sexual determination or migratory determination, you are welcome to do so. The point stands that the freedom to have sex or to migrate is a right that stems from pur human nature.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

No i think you are misunderstanding. And purposefully so.

If migration is a human right then a person has the right to migrate or not. If sex is a human right then a person has the right to have sex or not.

Now if you want to call that sexual determination or migratory determination, you are welcome to do so. The point stands that the freedom to have sex or to migrate is a right that stems from pur human nature.

You don't have a right to migrate or have sex, though. You have a right to want to do so, but if someone else's consent is required for you to get something, it's not a "human right". Don't take my word for it; What are human rights? | Australian Human Rights Commission

 

[icehorse]

"Implies" is pretty strong. I read it and get no such implication. I believe you if you say you weren't lying, however I rather suspect you are seeing things that aren't there, because, either consciously or unconsciously, you want them to be there. Sometimes a "vague, abstract, and sometimes incoherent" document is just that, vague, abstract, and sometimes incoherent. Projecting one's fears and biases onto it is rarely productive.

A couple of things:

- I'm a professional editor.
- I think it's wise to assume that every word in official documents is there for a reason.

I also acknowledge that I have biases just like everyone else.

 

[icehorse]

I’d be just as happy as I’ve always been but you’d still be wrong. There is nothing in that document that has any connection with idea of migration as a human right. The concept doesn’t even make any sense – how could migration even be a fundamental human right? The simple fact is that it talks about migrants retaining the same human rights as everyone else and some people don’t want that and so spun up the lie to try to prevent it.

I don’t think you were lying either, I think you were misled. The UN can’t implement anything, only national governments can and nothing like you appear to be imagining is ever going to get through any national parliaments.

The vague and abstract and sometimes incoherent language is in the document for a reason. The most parsimonious reason I can think of, is that the folks who crafted the document are working to normalize some really scary concepts. One great way to do that, is to create documents just like this one.

As for whether the UN can implement anything, I never said they could.

 

[icehorse]

Yes migration should be a human right. As a human I should be able to migrate to another place if that place is willing to accept me. I can not for the life of me understand why anyone would oppose that.

Ah, that's really the key point "if that place is willing to accept me". For the last several decades Europe has been flooded with migrants (I'm not talking about refugees), that have come without invitation. And whenever a country says "no" to this, the country gets lambasted as "xenophobic" or "racist".

 

[Curious George]

You don't have a right to migrate or have sex, though. You have a right to want to do so, but if someone else's consent is required for you to get something, it's not a "human right". Don't take my word for it; What are human rights? | Australian Human Rights Commission

Have you read through all that?

"Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own."

 

[Curious George]

Ah, that's really the key point "if that place is willing to accept me". For the last several decades Europe has been flooded with migrants (I'm not talking about refugees), that have come without invitation. And whenever a country says "no" to this, the country gets lambasted as "xenophobic" or "racist".

Maybe they are being xenophobic or racist. It seems to me that they are more likely just victims of propaganda. Fear of immigrants is by no means a new shtick.

 

[icehorse]

Maybe they are being xenophobic or racist. It seems to me that they are more likely just victims of propaganda. Fear of immigrants is by no means a new shtick.

In the last few decades, millions of unbidden migrants have entered Europe. This is not propaganda. Here's just one article that discusses this issue, these articles are not hard to find:

Anti-immigrant eastern EU states defiant as they boycott summit | Reuters

 

[Notanumber]

So you're saying that evidence doesn't matter, correct?

Do you think it will matter if whatever you say can be deemed unacceptable?

Criticism will not be allowed, even if it is truthful criticism.

 

[Woberts]

Do you think it will matter if whatever you say can be deemed unacceptable?

Criticism will not be allowed, even if it is truthful criticism.

So you have no proof other than an irrational fear of Muslims. Got it.

 

[Yerda]

Are you saying that the European Parliament is telling untruths at a press conference?

I am hostile to immigration being forced upon me and having no right to complain about it.

Are these irregular migrants going to be bringing their own wealth into our countries or will they be expecting to share in ours?

So you aren't hostile towards immigration in general?

You still haven't given me the evidence that immigrants will take my wealth and my civil rights will be suspended. I can't see anything relating to this in the document linked in the OP.

Would those who want this, being willing to cover the entire tab?

I'd agree to that if you agree that you don't get to use any service or industry dependent on immigrants.

Islam is the puppet master at the United Nations and what does Islam want if it does not want world domination?

Is there a better way of achieving world domination than by having open borders?

Jesus suffering Christ on hot plate...

 

[Curious George]

In the last few decades, millions of unbidden migrants have entered Europe. This is not propaganda. Here's just one article that discusses this issue, these articles are not hard to find:

Anti-immigrant eastern EU states defiant as they boycott summit | Reuters

I am confused; to what do you think I am objecting?

 

[Notanumber]

So you have no proof other than an irrational fear of Muslims. Got it.

I have a rational fear of Islam and Sharia law, which is the main reason that I would never migrate to an Islamic country. The trouble is that Islamic countries want to migrate to me.

I hope you have got that.

 

[Notanumber]

You still haven't given me the evidence that immigrants will take my wealth and my civil rights will be suspended. I can't see anything relating to this in the document linked in the OP.

You can be as pedantic as you like while you are not under Sharia, but other sources are still available for the time being.

 

[Woberts]

I have a rational fear of Islam and Sharia law, which is the main reason that I would never migrate to an Islamic country. The trouble is that Islamic countries want to migrate to me.

I hope you have got that.

No, Muslims want to migrate to your country.

 

[icehorse]

No, Muslims want to migrate to your country.

Large polls continue to indicate that at least half of all Muslims want Sharia to be the law of the land WHEREVER they live. (This includes Muslims currently living in Europe.)

Why it's almost as if they believe what their ideology instructs them to believe.

 

[Woberts]

Large polls continue to indicate that at least half of all Muslims want Sharia to be the law of the land WHEREVER they live. (This includes Muslims currently living in Europe.)

Why it's almost as if they believe what their ideology instructs them to believe.

Then what's your solution for this 'problem'? Bar Muslims from entering your country?

 

[icehorse]

I am confused; to what do you think I am objecting?

Earlier you said:

Maybe they are being xenophobic or racist. It seems to me that they are more likely just victims of propaganda. Fear of immigrants is by no means a new shtick.

I was responding to this comment of yours.

 

[icehorse]

Then what's your solution for this 'problem'? Bar Muslims from entering your country?

Not at all. For decades, the US has had a careful vetting process for ALL immigrants. We should stay that course, and I'd say that Europe should copy us.