WalterTrull
Godfella
Huh??
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Does Everyone Know God
- Thread starter Fool
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Because when people say things like "the universe is God," they act like they're trying to express something meaningful... i.e. that calling the universe "God" expresses something about the universe that wasn't captured in the term "universe."
If they thought the terms were equivalent - i.e. not only referred to the same thing but expressed exactly the same idea - then they would act as if the phrase "the universe is God" is a useless tautology.
Also, pantheists don't exist in a vacuum. You know full well that the term "God" is usually used to refer to things that aren't the universe. Calling the universe "God" is an attempt to apply aspects of god from the larger spectrum of theism to the universe.
Even if you think that the universe is God, if someone said to you "the universe is not God," you would understand the terms well enough to explain why you disagree.Huh??
OTOH, if the terms are equivalent, then a statement like that would be nonsensical. Take this statement: "a mare is not a female horse." It's nonsensical; it's not clear at all what it's even trying to say.
WalterTrull
Godfella
Yup. Are you agreeing with me?
No. Try reading for comprehension.
DustyFeet
पैर है| outlaw kosher care-bear | Tribe of Dan
my take? god is love, but god is not **only** love.
wow, is this a common belief among Christians and others... if so, thank u!
WalterTrull
Godfella
I try, believe me I try, but it gets all comprehensed and I don't seem to be able to separate the meaning from the words.
So if someone said to you that they believe that the universe is not God, you wouldn't even be able to make enough sense of this to disagree?
WalterTrull
Godfella
I would know we speak different languages, that makes it tough.
I think 'everyone knows love' is a stretch. Conflating God and love also appears a stretch. Love can also take diffferent forms, so so there is that.
On balance, I see no reason to believe I 'know' God.
Firemorphic
Activist Membrane
God is not your bartender, you can't know IT in that way.
Firemorphic
Activist Membrane
I'm not a Christian (obviously) but don't you know what symbolism is? it's kind of obvious.....
Jumi
Well-Known Member
the term god isn't exclusive to the abrahamic idea. it can be associated with a higher power/force; in this case love is the whole of the law.
i'm very much aware of what sybolism is. you and i have agreed to use symbols to convey ideas through this thread. an idea can be conveyed in infinite ways; so long as one simple thing happens. your mind and my mind agree on the symbol representing the idea.
friendship is two bodies being yoked together as one mind - the way of the cross
i saw a man plowing/cultivating with twelve oxen/disciples
all feelings are emotive
DustyFeet
पैर है| outlaw kosher care-bear | Tribe of Dan
never thought of it that way, but now that you mention it, i agree, very cool.
these sheltered feet have never heard this either, also very very cool....
Jumi
Well-Known Member
Ok, I see no reason to believe our gods are the same then.
the mind is only limited to what it conditions limits to be. it makes the rules and it breaks them.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. - Eleanor Roosevelt
personalities will arise and fall, ideas will be labeled infinitely different from culture to culture and throughout time, but the ideas themselves will always remain.
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