They Are Not Christians!

[ADigitalArtist]

What are some others?

Another thread, another time perhaps. Don't want to derail the thread too much.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I don't dress up for Halloween because I'm a 4'10" fat woman and nothing at the store will fit me.

I agree that many young people are leaving "Christian" "churches", not because they don't believe in God, or the Bible, but because they feel that there is a lot of hypocrisy, and lack of genuine love.

Yup. That's why I don't go. I find them to be theological social clubs who care way more about patting themselves on the back instead of doing anything useful.

I am always impressed with the number of young people who attend the meetings at Kingdom Halls (KH) of JWs, and are also so eager to participate.

I would much rather see people only come together when large numbers are warranted for a particular task and any other time just doing what needs to be done.

I can think of one church that is now a family residence, and two large churches that have been converted into luxury apartment flats.

So, by deconverting the building, people actually get the shelter they need. There's a moral in that somewhere.

Fair enough. I've always acknowledged other people's faiths, beliefs, opinions etc because we all have individual 'minds', but what pees me off heartily is when one Christian points at another Christian Church and trashes it to bits, back-bites, slanders, defames and crushes it in red hot nastiness. Which of course places that particular Christian/Church just about where it belongs, in the bin, as far as I'm concerned.

I understand that people aren't their organization, so I typically give people a pass socially unless they prove themselves to be shills for their organization.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

A retired neighbour and I decided to seek out all the 'tea and chat' venues in our area in the hopes of finding a pleasant hour or two to spend during weekday mornings with new company. It's just more acceptable than drinking cheap cider on street corners, is all, although we could try that at some later time, maybe.

The over 60's club was cold and everybody stayed wrapped up in coats, there being no chance of heating such a huge hall. The Methodist church was friendly, warm and hospitable and I got a free piece of cake with my mug of tea. The Riverside Church was delightful and for a few coins we got pots of tea, a plate of biscuits and nice folks around us. This was looking really good!

And then yesterday we visited a Christian community which invites total sinners like us to a 'light refreshment and chat' venue. The lady who runs the place and her area supervisor were both lovely people, but there was a senior lady 'priest' from HQ present who might benefit from a few courses on diplomacy and conflict management. For that reason I will not name this church. One person shouldn't smash a group's reputation......

We were ushered in to a warm hall where a table was set! No mug of tea and biscuit there.... we were sat down and invited to choose from three soups, and rolls were handed round! My friend was totally off balance at such an unexpected level of formality. There was not much chatter amongst the ten or twelve guests and so (in order to discover more venues) I asked the lady opposite me if she visited any other church meetings. She did..... an evangelical chapel over there, and a Baptist church down the road and etc etc. And that's when I asked her if she ever visited the little Christian Spiritualist chapel which is not far from the Baptist Church. OMG! The senior HQ lady had overheard my question.

In a most unfortunate Germanic kind of accent she spoke loudly for all to hear with pointed finger stabbing the air, 'They are Not Christians!....... Those people are Not Christians!' The whole table came to a silent sit-still. My friend looked at me with that 'You p--t!' kind of expression that I know so well.

I tried to back peddle. I mumbled about 'Well, sure, there are so many different churches, and some churches do say that other Churches are not Christians.......'.

'No! They are not even a Church! Those people are Satanists!' she was shaking very slightly. 'Tell me!' she ordered, 'Do you celebrate Halloween? Do you dress up as Satan?!!!' Gentle members......... this is not at a deep south bible-bashing chapel, this is in a frigging English seaside town at table with a bunch of sweet old dears (I'm 70 now so that's me, OK?)

The senior lady pulled their Creed from a bag and thrust it under my nose...... I noticed the very last line which pointed out that Christians (well, their kind of Christians) would have happiness and joy forever......... while the wicked would suffer dreadful punishment for Eternity.

We talked for a little longer, maybe a few seconds, and then I noticed the time. Yes, it was time to go..... ..... My friend was clearly preparing for a full emergency evacuation (probably cursing my name), but the senior lady pointed out in that Germanic accent that 'Surely we would stay for the talk, No? You must stay for the talk!'.

...And at that point I chucked a fiver on the table and switched on 'polite but positive assertion' and removed self and friend to safety, a long way down the road. I think my friend has decided never to come to any more coffee-and-meet mornings with me ever again. Especially Christian ones!

And so.......... the debate...... Christian Churches here are dying fast, and a huge % of most congregations are elderly because the young are not believing in Christianity that pretends to be full of love whilst enjoying the idea of outsiders being tormented in endless horror. And young ones don't get the concept of 'Smiling faces which conceal scowling nasty mindsets'.

Which of you Christians point out other congregations whilst declaring 'They are not Christians!'... ?? In any event, I could happily stand back and let churches like that one destroy each other in their hot contention.

There's a couple of things going on, and you perceiving it as narrow-minded bigots is an oversimplification. First, the Spiritualist church is stealing members from in all likelihood. Second, she actually is correct that Spiritualists are not strictly speakibg Christians. If I remember correctly, Spiritualists are kinda a New Age fringe movement.
What is Christian Spiritualism? - abingdonspiritualistchurch
Yeah they're very into sorta seance crap. It's not a church.
Although she is probably getting very bent out of shape here, I don't really understand passionate ppl. To her it's vitally important that ppl's souls are not led astray. To me, I don't mind most of what ppl do.
Lastly, she is totally off-base about Halloween.
Christians, This Is Our Night
Halloween is an eve celebration of All Saints. It has been corrupted some by costume pageantry, but the idea of welcoming travelers and victory over fear in trust in Christ as a message is unchanged. In fact, those calling Halloween satanic are doing more to corrupt the lesson of Halloween.

Those aren't Christians. Could she be a little less unhinged about it? Yes. But she felt she was trying to warn you, just as I'd warn you against ppl trying to tell you "Muslims and Christians are basically the same" being a complete liar. Was she a horrific bigot? No, she's just old-school. Old-school types got bent out of shape about rock music too. Although, looking at the sexualized culture it spawned, I can't say I disagree. But I'm not sure rock can't just be music to listen to.

Also, you didn't do a good job backpedaling. That's about the most wishy-washy statement I've ever heard. Some churches really aren't churches. Some are cults, some are feel-good organizations, and some teach things that are not gospel canon.

 

[shmogie]

A retired neighbour and I decided to seek out all the 'tea and chat' venues in our area in the hopes of finding a pleasant hour or two to spend during weekday mornings with new company. It's just more acceptable than drinking cheap cider on street corners, is all, although we could try that at some later time, maybe.

The over 60's club was cold and everybody stayed wrapped up in coats, there being no chance of heating such a huge hall. The Methodist church was friendly, warm and hospitable and I got a free piece of cake with my mug of tea. The Riverside Church was delightful and for a few coins we got pots of tea, a plate of biscuits and nice folks around us. This was looking really good!

And then yesterday we visited a Christian community which invites total sinners like us to a 'light refreshment and chat' venue. The lady who runs the place and her area supervisor were both lovely people, but there was a senior lady 'priest' from HQ present who might benefit from a few courses on diplomacy and conflict management. For that reason I will not name this church. One person shouldn't smash a group's reputation......

We were ushered in to a warm hall where a table was set! No mug of tea and biscuit there.... we were sat down and invited to choose from three soups, and rolls were handed round! My friend was totally off balance at such an unexpected level of formality. There was not much chatter amongst the ten or twelve guests and so (in order to discover more venues) I asked the lady opposite me if she visited any other church meetings. She did..... an evangelical chapel over there, and a Baptist church down the road and etc etc. And that's when I asked her if she ever visited the little Christian Spiritualist chapel which is not far from the Baptist Church. OMG! The senior HQ lady had overheard my question.

In a most unfortunate Germanic kind of accent she spoke loudly for all to hear with pointed finger stabbing the air, 'They are Not Christians!....... Those people are Not Christians!' The whole table came to a silent sit-still. My friend looked at me with that 'You p--t!' kind of expression that I know so well.

I tried to back peddle. I mumbled about 'Well, sure, there are so many different churches, and some churches do say that other Churches are not Christians.......'.

'No! They are not even a Church! Those people are Satanists!' she was shaking very slightly. 'Tell me!' she ordered, 'Do you celebrate Halloween? Do you dress up as Satan?!!!' Gentle members......... this is not at a deep south bible-bashing chapel, this is in a frigging English seaside town at table with a bunch of sweet old dears (I'm 70 now so that's me, OK?)

The senior lady pulled their Creed from a bag and thrust it under my nose...... I noticed the very last line which pointed out that Christians (well, their kind of Christians) would have happiness and joy forever......... while the wicked would suffer dreadful punishment for Eternity.

We talked for a little longer, maybe a few seconds, and then I noticed the time. Yes, it was time to go..... ..... My friend was clearly preparing for a full emergency evacuation (probably cursing my name), but the senior lady pointed out in that Germanic accent that 'Surely we would stay for the talk, No? You must stay for the talk!'.

...And at that point I chucked a fiver on the table and switched on 'polite but positive assertion' and removed self and friend to safety, a long way down the road. I think my friend has decided never to come to any more coffee-and-meet mornings with me ever again. Especially Christian ones!

And so.......... the debate...... Christian Churches here are dying fast, and a huge % of most congregations are elderly because the young are not believing in Christianity that pretends to be full of love whilst enjoying the idea of outsiders being tormented in endless horror. And young ones don't get the concept of 'Smiling faces which conceal scowling nasty mindsets'.

Which of you Christians point out other congregations whilst declaring 'They are not Christians!'... ?? In any event, I could happily stand back and let churches like that one destroy each other in their hot contention.

Doctrinal differences and denominationalism have existed since the Reformation.

Since the Reformation established the right of an individual or group of individuals to interpret scripture for themselves. A good thing.

Denominations major in minors, in my view, the doctrines of Christianity are very clearly presented in the New Testament.

Nevertheless, some choose to see things differently, which is their right.

However, one can give an opinion on doctrine or practice, one should NEVER judge an individuals standing as a Christian. Judge actions, never am individuals relationship to God, only God and they can know

I finding it somewhat amusing that the lady you spoke about was so agitated about Halloween. The original purpose of the day was to laugh at the forces of evil, because of.their sure defeat by Christ.

It wasn't to emulate the devil or ghosts or demons, it was to prove them powerless

 

[oldbadger]

There's a couple of things going on, and you perceiving it as narrow-minded bigots is an oversimplification.

Now just you go back and copy-paste any words from me in that OP that read 'narrow minded bigots', will you please?
And you're using the plural there. I thought the other two people running the meeting were lovely, didn't I?
That's the problem with tittle-tattle, before long folks actually believe that people said things when they didn't.... just stick to copy-paste, ok?

First, the Spiritualist church is stealing members from in all likelihood.

The Spiritualist Church has the tiniest congregation, I learned yesterday. So that is rubbish.

Second, she actually is correct that Spiritualists are not strictly speakibg Christians. If I remember correctly, Spiritualists are kinda a New Age fringe movement.
What is Christian Spiritualism? - abingdonspiritualistchurch

Jesus was a Spiritualist, wasn't he?
Yes or No?
It's not for you or that woman to decide about these things, surely?

Yeah they're very into sorta seance crap. It's not a church.

I know that they have healers. I visited a Christian Spiritualist Chapel in the next town last year..... amazing. Jesus was a Healer, did you know?
Please don't decide what those folks do from your armchair.
I'm not sure what a clairvoyant is but then I don't think that you do, true?

Although she is probably getting very bent out of shape here, I don't really understand passionate ppl. To her it's vitally important that ppl's souls are not led astray. To me, I don't mind most of what ppl do.
Lastly, she is totally off-base about Halloween.
Christians, This Is Our Night
Halloween is an eve celebration of All Saints. It has been corrupted some by costume pageantry, but the idea of welcoming travelers and victory over fear in trust in Christ as a message is unchanged. In fact, those calling Halloween satanic are doing more to corrupt the lesson of Halloween.

Yes. You got that about right.

Those aren't Christians. Could she be a little less unhinged about it? Yes. But she felt she was trying to warn you, just as I'd warn you against ppl trying to tell you "Muslims and Christians are basically the same" being a complete liar.

You've no idea what she intended...... she stopped a whole table dead still. She showed very bad manners.
You can't guess at what people thought or intended.

Was she a horrific bigot? No, she's just old-school.

We have no idea about her motives. We only know about what she said and did.

Also, you didn't do a good job backpedaling. That's about the most wishy-washy statement I've ever heard.

When you are sitting at somebody else's table, you do it your way. I could have given her a very bad time over what she said, but I chose to be a wishy-washy guest at her table, and not contentious in any way.

Some churches really aren't churches. Some are cults, some are feel-good organizations, and some teach things that are not gospel canon.

Each Church and group has its own Creed, and Canon.
Each group identifies itself, not you.

 

[oldbadger]

Doctrinal differences and denominationalism have existed since the Reformation.

Since the Reformation established the right of an individual or group of individuals to interpret scripture for themselves. A good thing.

Denominations major in minors, in my view, the doctrines of Christianity are very clearly presented in the New Testament.

Nevertheless, some choose to see things differently, which is their right.

However, one can give an opinion on doctrine or practice, one should NEVER judge an individuals standing as a Christian. Judge actions, never am individuals relationship to God, only God and they can know

I finding it somewhat amusing that the lady you spoke about was so agitated about Halloween. The original purpose of the day was to laugh at the forces of evil, because of.their sure defeat by Christ.

It wasn't to emulate the devil or ghosts or demons, it was to prove them powerless

Excellent words imo, shmogie! Excellent!
And yes, she got Halloween all wrong.
In fact, even if she had been right about anything, to subject an invited guest to that kind of behaviour really did not show her group in any good light. I felt sorry for her colleagues (is that the right word?) they were ideal as representatives of their particular organisation.

Thankyou again, shmogie.

 

[oldbadger]

I can't speak for the church you went to or the woman who spoke up that way. But the Bible forbids talking to the dead for a very good reason.

Some people say that they receive and hear from the deceased.
If that is true then there is not much they can do but hear...... or even see.

Would you like to enlarge upon what you said about 'the bible forbids...?

 

[Audie]

I believe the Christian faith makes perfect sense. I believe I would have to question your reasoning ability if you had the facts but chances are you don't have them.

Of course you believe. That is what a believer does.
They believe things.
A sailor sails, a baker bakes.
A believer believes.

A mormon believes Joseph Smith. A JW believer
believes things; 40,000 other Christian sects also
believe they have the one true bible readin'.

You believe you have "facts", and,
whatever else you believe.

So?

 

[Brickjectivity]

I feel sure that there is a wide gap for the provision of 'New Christianity' if it's based upon love and understanding.

But see here, the first line of that mentioned outfit's Creed ....
We believe that the scriptures of the Old Testament and the New Testament were given by inspiration of God, and that they only constitute the Divine rule of Christian faith and practice.

Now I wonder what that senior's opinions would have been about modern Equality Legislation. I wonder what her views might have been about Old Testament Laws which might have been clutched to whilst others dumped? A food table was not the place to really seek to interview such a person on the extremes that her behaviour clearly showed to be present. The kind of Christianity that wants to speak of understanding one moment, and shouts out OT law the next is socially a dangerous schizophrenic imo.

Its hard to trust the next generation, but that's all I can do. If they want to know something, I'm going to tell them. I'm not going to require them to become sane, mature initiates or to prove their good intentions. Today's youth will be deluged with information from this day forward. They need a root to graft things onto. I think they need anchors or islands to find what the hell is going on. This is why I plainly state things like 'The LORD is a covenant'. 'Atonement means you forgive everyone.' 'Sacrifices are treaties.' 'Communion is a treaty.' That person at your table who insults you and your guests shows that ignorance is simply not compatible with this age. They are filled with superstition, and so they are dangerous. The way things are done has to change with the times. Secrets have been important and have worked to keep politicians from controlling the church. This has failed. I have wondered what to do. Secrets have been a weapon against those who have wanted to control churches. I get that, but the thing is that Bible was translated and released to the uneducated. We are still, today, suffering because of it. The well is on fire. Blow it.

 

[oldbadger]

Its hard to trust the next generation, but that's all I can do. If they want to know something, I'm going to tell them. I'm not going to require them to become sane, mature initiates or to prove their good intentions. Today's youth will be deluged with information from this day forward. They need a root to graft things onto. I think they need anchors or islands to find what the hell is going on. This is why I plainly state things like 'The LORD is a covenant'. 'Atonement means you forgive everyone.' 'Sacrifices are treaties.' 'Communion is a treaty.' That person at your table who insults you and your guests shows that ignorance is simply not compatible with this age. They are filled with superstition, and so they are dangerous. The way things are done has to change with the times. Secrets have been important and have worked to keep politicians from controlling the church. This has failed. I have wondered what to do. Secrets have been a weapon against those who have wanted to control churches. I get that, but the thing is that Bible was translated and released to the uneducated. We are still, today, suffering because of it. The well is on fire. Blow it.

Wow, Bricks....... you mentioned that the bible was translated and released to the uneducated........... and, secrets have been a weapon against 'would-be controllers'...... etc.

I think that rather than keep the bible from uneducated it might be better to release it and educate more........ maybe?

I think that secrets are indicative of exclusive clubs........ and so 'not good'... ?

How would you 'Blow the flaming well'??

I cannot fully grasp what you're saying here.... that's not true.... I cannot grasp it at all.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Wow, Bricks....... you mentioned that the bible was translated and released to the uneducated........... and, secrets have been a weapon against 'would-be controllers'...... etc.

I think that rather than keep the bible from uneducated it might be better to release it and educate more........ maybe?

I think that secrets are indicative of exclusive clubs........ and so 'not good'... ?

How would you 'Blow the flaming well'??

I cannot fully grasp what you're saying here.... that's not true.... I cannot grasp it at all.

One main point is that this is the very beginning of the digital age. Its one thing for people in the future to have documents, but they need us. We are the thing that gives them a sense of reality by being honest about what we think - warts and all. We are the generation which is seeing the creation of the internet, of computers. We know the stories by our parents and grandparents and great grandparents. We know, firsthand, that people used to ride horseback. We know, firsthand, what it means to use a pay phone. These are not abstract for us. We know life without video games. If we hide things from future generations that causes serious problems.

Another point is that superstition should not be upheld. Superstition creates itself. It doesn't need our help.

late edit:

I think that rather than keep the bible from uneducated it might be better to release it and educate more........ maybe?

...releasing it like a bomb did get people thinking, and did weaken the clergy. It remains a superstition engine. It was never truly released. Instead it was used as a weapon.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

I challenge my chess spp each day, once, and get slaughtered embarrassingly, once.
I play microsoft Hearts.


Oh, some priests can be totally careless about folk's feelings at such delicate time as funerals, imo.
A long time ago a retired Bahai couple lost their son to lightening-speed-MS he leaving a Christian wife and baby behind, a very sad occasion. The Bahai parents asked the Christian wife if a Bahai prayer could be read at the service which a Christian priest would take. The young wife agreed to ask, but the priest refused, because he thought that such a prayer would be 'inappropriate'.

Such priests don't deserve a congregation today, and around here I don't think they get one, only the most friendly and Universal priests deserve to get followings, imo.

Hey, Oldbadger, did you say you play chess? Did I understand you correctly? I love to play, but there are very few around my area who do.

 

[oldbadger]

One main point is that this is the very beginning of the digital age. Its one thing for people in the future to have documents, but they need us. We are the thing that gives them a sense of reality by being honest about what we think - warts and all. We are the generation which is seeing the creation of the internet, of computers.

Thankyou for enlarging upon your earlier points.
Some say that the children of the future need us like we need the ancients of the past. But most of the history passed on has been misinformation and lies, the stories of the winners and survivors. And we (most of us) don't seem to give a fig about how folks lived and survived in the past. Fortunately we can and do pass forward some truths, and our archives hold film about how to make a brick, or wattle a fence, use a payphone etc...... but the stories of our fathers are mostly unhelpful for the future.

A big joke here was the film about how a US submarine captured the first German enigma machine, and stuff like that......... our kids are going to need to sift out the gems from the stones.

We know the stories by our parents and grandparents and great grandparents. We know, firsthand, that people used to ride horseback. We know, firsthand, what it means to use a pay phone. These are not abstract for us. We know life without video games. If we hide things from future generations that causes serious problems.

The survivors will be OK........ most of what lived amongst was not very important, or so I think.

Another point is that superstition should not be upheld. Superstition creates itself. It doesn't need our help.

The children of the future will decide what is important or not about human history. And they won't be told what to believe by us...... threy will make up their own minds.

late edit:

...releasing it like a bomb did get people thinking, and did weaken the clergy. It remains a superstition engine. It was never truly released. Instead it was used as a weapon.

Thank goodness that it did weaken the clergy! In the 80's I used to survey rich homes for security appraisals. One client was the CofE Diocesan Board. Oh my! You should have seen the residences of the clergy! I remember one beautiful room panelled floor to ceiling in a fruit wood, and the gun case must have held four pairs of game guns, any one pair worth a whole home today..... and all that wealth gathered together through manipulation, control, secrets and lies.

The children of the future are already the digital detectives of the world. They can find out anything about anything in about thirty seconds. They are already beyond our determination to adjust or control them..... they will be as free as the birds, and at the same time as vulnerable as the birds.

Freedom is risking........,

 

[Hockeycowboy]

I can't speak for the church you went to or the woman who spoke up that way. But the Bible forbids talking to the dead for a very good reason.

What's the reason?

 

[oldbadger]

Hey, Oldbadger, did you say you play chess? Did I understand you correctly? I love to play, but there are very few around my area who do.

Hello again....

I haven't got the patience or mind to be any good at chess, but I do play 'speed chess' against my laptop. It's a massive success story if I gain a draw...

I almost always lose.........

 

[oldbadger]

What's the reason?

You were asking another member, but I can guess that both you and I are thinking of the Old Testament Laws about seers, etc.......

But I can't remember if the Israelites were actually told why they had to keep clear of seers and clairvoyants. Of course, even Kings broke that rule!

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Thank goodness that it did weaken the clergy! In the 80's I used to survey rich homes for security appraisals. One client was the CofE Diocesan Board. Oh my! You should have seen the residences of the clergy! I remember one beautiful room panelled floor to ceiling in a fruit wood, and the gun case must have held four pairs of game guns, any one pair worth a whole home today..... and all that wealth gathered together through manipulation, control, secrets and lies.

Wow! They have "fleeced the flock", too.....like most others. (A friend I used to work with, said his Baptist Church wanted his W-2's, so they'd know if his tithing was accurate!)
Jesus said to his disciples: "You received free, give free."

Those poor people! I think these organizations have a lot to pay for!

 

[Hockeycowboy]

You were asking another member, but I can guess that both you and I are thinking of the Old Testament Laws about seers, etc.......

But I can't remember if the Israelites were actually told why they had to keep clear of seers and clairvoyants. Of course, even Kings broke that rule!

Yeah....Deuteronomy 18:10-12.

Saul did disobey, Jehovah had already disavowed him.

 

[Kenny]

And so.......... the debate...... Christian Churches here are dying fast, and a huge % of most congregations are elderly because the young are not believing in Christianity that pretends to be full of love whilst enjoying the idea of outsiders being tormented in endless horror. And young ones don't get the concept of 'Smiling faces which conceal scowling nasty mindsets'.

Which of you Christians point out other congregations whilst declaring 'They are not Christians!'... ?? In any event, I could happily stand back and let churches like that one destroy each other in their hot contention.

Can't argue if that is what is being projected. It is religious cannibalism:
Galatians 5:15 The Passion Translation (TPT)
15 But if you continue to criticize and come against each other over minor issues, you’re acting like wild beasts trying to destroy one another!

Then you have the other end of the spectrum.

I came in and stood in a long line at 10 in the morning as I was greeted by attendants with smiles and a warm welcome. In line there were all sizes, shapes and colors from every age. A buzz of talk permeated throughout the line.

As the doors finally opened, every entrance is lined with an excited welcome team. The smell of coffee, tea and some treats are there for those who come in. Excitement is everywhere, smiles are everywhere, hugs are abundant as they file into the sanctuary.

The countdown starts on the big screens and when it hits 0 a loud rumble of praise erupts and the worship begins. Hands are lifted up, young people are jumping up and down in praise, hearts are filled with joy as a beautiful exchange begins to happen as we sense the presence of God through worship.

The message is uplifting, real, transparent and heart felt. An opportunity to give yourself to God through Jesus is offered at the end of the service. Literally dozens of people lift their hands in acknowledgment of their need of a Savior. A Bible is given to each of them.

As we leave, we see another long line of people that weaves around the block that is waiting to get in as the process repeats itself at 12pm; 2pm; 6pm and 8pm.

The church was 2 years old in NY City. Today they have four locations.

The Church is growing.

What part are you from?

 

[oldbadger]

Yeah....Deuteronomy 18:10-12.

Thanks for the chapter and verses.

Question: Deuteronomy translates into 'second reading' or something like that? I think it is a repetition of the old laws. Therefore, do you know where Deut 18:10-12 was first written?

@Tumah might be able to help us with this one, I reckon.