I just saw this ridiculous commercial for the 2nd time:

[Bob the Unbeliever]

You are abusive, aren’t you?

Have I hurt you somehow?

If you actually consider the truth to be abusive?

Well..... what does that say about YOU?

But as many have pointed out?

Men always create their Gods in their Own Image.

Or to put it more succinctly? Isn't it amazing that Gods always hate the same thing their worshipers hate?

 

[nPeace]

I do not need a "backup source" because it matters not one whit, WHAT sort of ancient "glue" you choose to rewrite into the Noah Myth.

A wood boat that large would sink. Especially since Noah did not have access to modern bilge pumps.

Even worse: Noah didn't have sufficient helpers to man those pumps in the first place...

No.. . The Ark Myth fails on so MANY levels... the glue is just one of many failure points.

Just air. No problem.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, I do not believe God to be a liar. Could you point out were you feel the lie lays. Maybe I will learn something.

You may not believe it, yet you claim that he is. As I said you do not understand how you are making that claim. All of the evidence out there tells us that there was no flood. I can only think of one possible source for that evidence if the flood myth is true. Your God would have had to have planted false information. So by you claiming that "The Flood is real" it also follows that you are claiming that God planted false evidence, a form of lying. Most Christians do not believe that God lied, that is only one reason that most Christians do not appear to believe the Noah's Ark myth.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Just air. No problem.

You do not seem to understand that when Ark believers make specific claims that leads to conclusions based upon those claims. When uses your claims to refute your beliefs no sources are needed. Now if I make a specific claim on my own then people can demand evidence. But if I make an errant claim and someone uses my claim to show that I am wrong they do not need a source either.

Understand?

 

[Milton Platt]

Archeology keeps unearthing more proof of its veracity.

Archaeology cannot possibly provide evidence of a god.

 

[ecco]

The hull will TWIST-- opening up the long hull planks, admitting water.

The Ark? Would have sunk within an hour at most.

Considering the energy of rainfall required to flood the planet? Those waves would have been many-many FEET high--

The Ark would therefore have sunk within minutes of going afloat.

I think even Ken Ham et al know that. That's why reproductions are built on land.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Archaeology cannot possibly provide evidence of a god.

I would say "has never". That is why I always ask for the supposed evidence. Not has yet to be provided. But then most Bible literealists do not understand the concept.

 

[ecco]

“Torque in the planks” — oookaay.

‘Noah’s Ark would have floated’

Did you bother reading the article? Did you understand it?

My emphases...

NOAH’S Ark would have floated — even with two of every animal on board, physicists have determined based on the weight of the beasts and the buoyancy of the boat.

The students said it was not clear if all the animals would actually be able to fit on board. But if they did, the boat would still float.
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Do you know the difference between buoyancy, capacity and seaworthiness?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think even Ken Ham et al know that. That's why reproductions are built on land.

There have been attempts to make floating Arks and then they were supposed to tour the world, towed into place of course. Even those attempts have failed:

Builders of Noah’s Ark 'Replica' Hope to Sail From Holland to Brazil

The trip never happened. Instead this is the latest:

Noah’s Ark Crashes in the Netherlands [WATCH]

From the article:

"The ark was originally built by Dutch building contractor, carpenter and Creationist Johan Huibers. At 390 feet long, 98 feet wide, and 75 feet high, Huibers’ creation is not quite as large as the original. Huibers and eight helpers worked four years at a cost of almost $5 million, completing the project in 2007. The ark can be towed by tugboats over the rivers but it is not seaworthy and transporting over open water requires riding atop a transport ship."

Though we have the supposed "experts" on the Bible side that claim it would be seaworthy the one existing copy cannot handle open seas at all.

 

[ecco]

I noticed you don't have a backup source.

Allow me.

List of longest wooden ships - Wikipedia

The American six-masted schooner Wyoming, the longest confirmed wooden ship in history.

Length 450 feet. Same as ark.

This ship had a tendency to flex in heavy seas, causing the planks to twist and buckle due to their extreme length despite being fitted with metal bracing. Water was evacuated nearly constantly by steam pumps. It foundered in heavy seas with loss of all hands.
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Please note:

• It was built with the accumulated shipbuilding knowledge of thousands of years
• It was fitted with metal bracing
• It had steam pumps to evacuate water seepage
• It had propulsion (sails)
• It could be steered
• It foundered in heavy seas with loss of all hands

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[Milton Platt]

I would say "has never". That is why I always ask for the supposed evidence. Not has yet to be provided. But then most Bible literealists do not understand the concept.

Quite right. Never say never.......
But I cannot imagine what sort of archaeological evidence could demonstrate that a god exists.

 

[Milton Platt]

I do not need a "backup source" because it matters not one whit, WHAT sort of ancient "glue" you choose to rewrite into the Noah Myth.

A wood boat that large would sink. Especially since Noah did not have access to modern bilge pumps.

Even worse: Noah didn't have sufficient helpers to man those pumps in the first place...

No.. . The Ark Myth fails on so MANY levels... the glue is just one of many failure points.

Yep. Believers fail to question why the ark in Kentucky wasn't built by one man and a few helpers, like in the Bible, and why it was designed as a building instead of a boat.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I was just playing, I know my brothers and sisters on here -- which are few, actually, like @Deeje, @nPeace and @Vee -- support the Bible's Flood.
@URAVIP2ME is another supporter of the Flood.
Someday, everyone will know! They may have to be resurrected, but they will know.....who God is, and everything the Bible teaches.
It'll just be up to each individual to accept it.

I like how you say 'everyone will know' because even those who died before Jesus' died can know and choose to accept when they are resurrected back to live life under Christ's righteous 1,000-year reign over Earth.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yep. Believers fail to question why the ark in Kentucky wasn't built by one man and a few helpers, like in the Bible, and why it was designed as a building instead of a boat.

To me the answer is a rectangular building does Not have to be steered anywhere.
Noah's Ark did Not have to be steered as a boat needs to steered. The only thing the Ark had to do was float.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I like how you say 'everyone will know' because even those who died before Jesus' died can know and choose to accept when they are resurrected back to live life under Christ's righteous 1,000-year reign over Earth.

You do realize that there are countless different interpretations fo that part of the Bible, don't you? Besides that what does that have to do with the flood myth?

Are you prepared to explain how you can believe in a God that lies?

 

[Subduction Zone]

To me the answer is a rectangular building does Not have to be steered anywhere.
Noah's Ark did Not have to be steered as a boat needs to steered. The only thing the Ark had to do was float.

Even an object that just floats has to be seaworthy. Even though the Ark might not travel it would meet waves. If it could not handle the waves it would quickly sink.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

You can’t reason on It? It’s not hard: Jehovah really owns everything — the earth and all in it ...

The old Might Makes Right failed attempt at morality.

Except that it doesn't.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Just air. No problem.

"just air"? What?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

To me the answer is a rectangular building does Not have to be steered anywhere.
Noah's Ark did Not have to be steered as a boat needs to steered. The only thing the Ark had to do was float.

Except that wave studies? Prove that such a floating thing would quickly turn sideways to waves, then begin a fatal rocking motion, tip over capsize and ... sink.

This tendency of ships without at least sea anchors to founder under wave action is well established knowledge of ship making. So much so, it's a common mention in novels about ships at sea.

So the whole "it just has to float" does not actually work.

Note: Rafts can float without steerage, because a raft floats because of the material it's made of: floating stuff.

The ark? Not so much, especially since it would only float due to being a hollow thing. Now if you add 35,000 animals? (never mind the impossibility of such a feat) it'd likely become so dense, it would simply sink even in dead calm.

And, naturally, the super-long boards that made up it's hull? Would leak like a seive-- so it'd sink anyway, JUST from that alone....

Ooops!

 

[nPeace]

Except that wave studies? Prove that such a floating thing would quickly turn sideways to waves, then begin a fatal rocking motion, tip over capsize and ... sink.

This tendency of ships without at least sea anchors to founder under wave action is well established knowledge of ship making. So much so, it's a common mention in novels about ships at sea.

So the whole "it just has to float" does not actually work.

Note: Rafts can float without steerage, because a raft floats because of the material it's made of: floating stuff.

The ark? Not so much, especially since it would only float due to being a hollow thing. Now if you add 35,000 animals? (never mind the impossibility of such a feat) it'd likely become so dense, it would simply sink even in dead calm.

And, naturally, the super-long boards that made up it's hull? Would leak like a seive-- so it'd sink anyway, JUST from that alone....

Ooops!

So how does it stay afloat? How does it resist being blown over in a gale, or toppled by rough seas? What stops it from capsizing if the ship is forced to make a sharp turn?

Let's remember that it is also burdened with the weight of 3,500 passengers and all their luggage. Not to mention the food required to keep them sated, the thousands of tables and chairs in restaurants, bars and theatres, beds, bathrooms, the swimming pools, the marble-clad atrium, the lifts, and everything else required to service a floating hotel.

But, despite all of those things and more, the vessel is full of air. Imagine a bowling ball and a beach ball side by side. Drop them in the sea and the beach ball will float, high in the water.

Let’s dispel another myth before starting to look at the physics.

Although the size of a ship is calculated on its tonnage, this is a measure of volume rather than weight. It is defined by the ship’s enclosed internal space.

A ship’s weight is measured by the amount of water it displaces. Royal Princess, for example, is 142,714 gross tonnes, and while sister ship Majestic Princess is almost the same size it measures 143,000 gross tons for the simple reason that there is a glass roof covering one of its swimming pools.

............
Now, the physics. A cruise ship displaces an amount of water equivalent to its own mass. The pressure of the sea pushes up against the vessel’s hull to counter the downward force of the ship’s mass. Unlike air, water cannot be compressed, so the combined forces create buoyancy.

It’s basically the principle discovered when Archimedes took a bath 2,300 years ago and ran naked through the streets of Syracuse in celebration.

The water a cruise ship displaces becomes the waves and wash it creates as it moves along. A rounded U-shaped hull is preferable for creating buoyancy; some ships are flat-bottomed and while they still float, they are likely to move uncomfortably in heavy seas.

[This should clear up a few misguided ideas hopefully.]

Any more objections? Try this.

What the video says are not mine.