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Did you change religions?

My current religion...

  • ... is almost entirely same one I was brought up with

    Votes: 4 9.8%
  • ... is similar to the one I was brought up with (e.g., denomination change)

    Votes: 2 4.9%
  • ... is different from the one I was brought up with, but I retain some prior beliefs/practices

    Votes: 3 7.3%
  • ... is almost entirely different from the one I was brought up with

    Votes: 32 78.0%

  • Total voters
    41

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
More specifically, being a Christian means being a follower of Christ (which is more involved than simply honoring/worshiping Christ). This is also the fundamental question that divides many (though not all) denominations: what does it mean to be a Christian, to follow Christ?

When you are discussing the differences between denominations, you are often discussing fundamental philosophical differences in what it means to be Christian. Most denominations, for instance, make the Trinity Doctrine a core, defining belief. If you don't accept it - then, according to them - you can't be a Christian.

You can also widen the scope and consider religions like Islam. Islam accept Jesus as a prophet and the Jewish Messiah. However, they do this by radically re-interpreting who Jesus is and his teachings. Are they to be considered Christian in the same sense as a Baptist or Catholic?

According to Scripture if you believe in the life death, and crucifixion of Christ as being and doing things for the father creator in the name of Christ you are Christian.

What makes someone not a Christian is he doesn't sacrifice himself in service to Christ father in the name of his son. Following Christ and being Christ in example and deed are two different things. Anyone can follow Christ. Not everyone is part of his passion.
 

iam1me

Active Member
No I don't consider honoring and worshiping the same. I can honor my parents without worshiping them.

The words mean the same thing. In fact, in scripture the word that is translated as "worship" from Greek and Hebrew is also applied to men (like when Moses worshiped his Father in law). However, the translators choose to use the obscure word "obeisance" when the term is applied to men.
 

Holdasown

Active Member
The words mean the same thing. In fact, in scripture the word that is translated as "worship" from Greek and Hebrew is also applied to men (like when Moses worshiped his Father in law). However, the translators choose to use the obscure word "obeisance" when the term is applied to men.

They can mean the same to you all they want.
 

iam1me

Active Member
According to Scripture if you believe in the life death, and crucifixion of Christ as being and doing things for the father creator in the name of Christ you are Christian.

What makes someone not a Christian is he doesn't sacrifice himself in service to Christ father in the name of his son. Following Christ and being Christ in example and deed are two different things. Anyone can follow Christ. Not everyone is part of his passion.

I was in agreement right up until the end there. Following christ = following his teachings and example, to do as he did. This means giving your life to God.

Also, for the purposes of this discussion, it is important to note that many Christians would disagree with these views. They would reduce being Christian to assenting to a particular set of doctrine.
 

iam1me

Active Member
If you worship your parents on the same level as your god that is on you.

No one said anything about worshiping your parents on the same level as God. You can worship/honor people at different levels, for different reasons. This is purely linguistics - honor = worship.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I was in agreement right up until the end there. Following christ = following his teachings and example, to do as he did. This means giving your life to God.

Also, for the purposes of this discussion, it is important to note that many Christians would disagree with these views. They would reduce being Christian to assenting to a particular set of doctrine.

It's a Catholic view. I see non Liturgical protestant christians watered down on their definition of faith in christ. But going off scripture, it's: I have died in Christ and for Christ not follow as in as in follow the leader and watch Christ carry his cross.

He actually got help. A lot of it is context. Older religions aren't verbatim to today's period.
 
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BSM1

What? Me worry?
More specifically, being a Christian means being a follower of Christ (which is more involved than simply honoring/worshiping Christ). This is also the fundamental question that divides many (though not all) denominations: what does it mean to be a Christian, to follow Christ?

When you are discussing the differences between denominations, you are often discussing fundamental philosophical differences in what it means to be Christian. Most denominations, for instance, make the Trinity Doctrine a core, defining belief. If you don't accept it - then, according to them - you can't be a Christian.

You can also widen the scope and consider religions like Islam. Islam accept Jesus as a prophet and the Jewish Messiah. However, they do this by radically re-interpreting who Jesus is and his teachings. Are they to be considered Christian in the same sense as a Baptist or Catholic?

Actually being a Christian means you follow the teachings of Paul. If you follow Jesus than you become a Jesusonian.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
I wasn't raised in any religion. I didn't raise my son in any religion, either, so I'm the same in that respect.
I have, however, gathered religions along the way.
 

iam1me

Active Member
Actually being a Christian means you follow the teachings of Paul. If you follow Jesus than you become a Jesusonian.

lolz. Well we don't have to come to an agreement for the purposes of this thread; rather, these different views on what it means to be "Christian" just emphasizes the fact that there are many different approaches to being Christian - and these different approaches can conflict on a number of levels. So a change in denomination CAN be a large change in religion.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Islam does not worship Christ. If you worship Christ you are a Christian.
I understand what you are trying to say, but the Christian follows the teachings and example of Christ. They don't worship Christ.
Worship belongs to God.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
lolz. Well we don't have to come to an agreement for the purposes of this thread; rather, these different views on what it means to be "Christian" just emphasizes the fact that there are many different approaches to being Christian - and these different approaches can conflict on a number of levels. So a change in denomination CAN be a large change in religion.
There is only one approach to being Christian. Many approaches to being "Christian" apostate, or "apostate Christian" , or simply apostate.
 

iam1me

Active Member
There is only one approach to being Christian. Many approaches to being "Christian" apostate, or "apostate Christian" , or simply apostate.

Personally, I think God is far more flexible than we tend to be. In fact, I maintain that one does not need to be of the Christian faith to be saved by Christ - but that's another debate ;)
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
When you are discussing the differences between denominations, you are often discussing fundamental philosophical differences in what it means to be Christian. Most denominations, for instance, make the Trinity Doctrine a core, defining belief. If you don't accept it - then, according to them - you can't be a Christian.
So then, being Christian involves not just following him, but following his teachings, and way of life.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Personally, I think God is far more flexible than we tend to be. In fact, I maintain that one does not need to be of the Christian faith to be saved by Christ - but that's another debate ;)
I don't see how it is possible to speak about being saved by Christ, and not have the truth from the Bible. Jesus said he came to bear witness to the truth, and he said one must remain in his word. "God's word is truth," he says.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
From my observations. it is incredibly difficult and heart-wrenching to switch religions if you're religious. For the non-religious, or the 'sort of' religious, who weren't really committed to their previous faith, it's far easier. Baggage is hard to get rid of, regardless of what kind of baggage it is. It takes a very long time, with a ton of patience. Amongst my acquaintances of converts, I still see hangover effect. Maybe too much, and it's subconscious. Some Hindu converts, for example, still feel this drive to go to temple on Sunday. They'd never see that as hangover, too proud of the new found faith.
 

iam1me

Active Member
I don't see how it is possible to speak about being saved by Christ, and not have the truth from the Bible. Jesus said he came to bear witness to the truth, and he said one must remain in his word. "God's word is truth," he says.

Consider everyone who came before Christ, all those people who never even had the opportunity to know of Christ. Are they automatically condemened? Automatically exempted from this requirement?

Note: whenever the scriptures speak of the judgement, that judgement is not based upon the doctrines one accepts. It is judgement of one's deeds. This is fair, and without favoritism.

If the Judgement is based upon holding the right doctrines, or even just belief in Christ, there is an unmistakable favoritism involved in such a Judgement - because all are not equally given the opportunity, calling, or environment to come to Christ. But there is no favoritism with God, for favoritism is a sin.
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
Nice poll! So much for the "religion is just indoctrination" garbage!
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Consider everyone who came before Christ, all those people who never even had the opportunity to know of Christ. Are they automatically condemened? Automatically exempted from this requirement?

Note: whenever the scriptures speak of the judgement, that judgement is not based upon the doctrines one accepts. It is judgement of one's deeds. This is fair, and without favoritism.

If the Judgement is based upon holding the right doctrines, or even just belief in Christ, there is an unmistakable favoritism involved in such a Judgement - because all are not equally given the opportunity, calling, or environment to come to Christ. But there is no favoritism with God, for favoritism is a sin.
Very good question. Very good observation.
I totally agree that God is not partial.
Provided that we are going by the most ancient text of religious faiths, we can start at the fall of man... I hope we agree.

God right away made a provision of salvation, by means of one he would send - the Messiah - Jesus Christ.

The Messiah would be a seed of Abraham, to which God made a covenant. Genesis 22:18.

God also allowed people of the nations to benefit from that arrangement, by allowing them to join his people.

All the while, they were guarded by his law.
Galatians 3
23 However, before the faith arrived, we were being guarded under law, being handed over into custody, looking to the faith that was about to be revealed. 24 So the Law became our guardian leading to Christ, so that we might be declared righteous through faith. 25 But now that the faith has arrived, we are no longer under a guardian.

Long story short, the Messiah came through the line of Judah.

When the Messiah arrived, he came to the children of Israel, but later we saw that the gentiles were included.

Christ fulfilled his purpose on earth, persons continued to benefit from his sacrifice.

How is it that those before Christ could benefit from the sacrifice, even before it actually happened?
Romans 3:21-26
21But now apart from law God’s righteousness has been revealed, as the Law and the Prophets bear witness, 22yes, God’s righteousness through the faith in Jesus Christ, for all those having faith. For there is no distinction. 23For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and it is as a free gift that they are being declared righteous by his undeserved kindness through the release by the ransom paid by Christ Jesus. 25God presented him as an offering for propitiation through faith in his blood. This was to demonstrate his own righteousness, because God in his forbearance was forgiving the sins that occurred in the past. 26This was to demonstrate his own righteousness in this present season, so that he might be righteous even when declaring righteous the man who has faith in Jesus.

God had already applied its benefits even before, because it was as good as done, in his eyes. He could do this because,... Isaiah 55:11
So my word that goes out of my mouth will be. It will not return to me without results, But it will certainly accomplish whatever is my delight, And it will have sure success in what I send it to do.

What ever he says is sure to be. Not a word of his, will fail.

So what of all that have died before Christ?
Because the ransom was as good a paid, God was able to forgive sins, from Abel down.
That is why Jesus said that all those in God's memory would be resurrected.
John 5:28, 29
28Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment. Acts 24:15
 
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