Pocahontas's Bold New Attack On Economic Liberty

[Quetzal]

So you agree that the first couple of years of the Obama administration were bad because they were a carry over from Bush's depression.

But you want to give Trump credit from day one for the economy continuing to rise as it did during Obama's last five years.

That is hypocritical.

This is fair, I thought of another way to think of it. I think of it as the economy is one year behind. That is, it usually takes about a year, maybe more, to see the impact of the current president. So this year has been the first year we see the impact of Trump economic policy (with the annual budget, etc).

 

[BSM1]

I am not at all surprised that you do not find your views hypocritical.

If a Hillary Clinton or a Barack Obama said "John McCain is not a hero, he got captured", you and the Right would have been up in arms.

If a Hillary Clinton or a Barack Obama made fun of a person with a physical handicap, you and the Right would have been up in arms.

If a Hillary Clinton or a Barack Obama appointed their closest relatives to senior positions in the White House, you and the Right would have been up in arms.

If a Hillary Clinton or a Barack Obama played a few rounds of golf, you and the Right would have been up in arms.

But you are not a hypocrite. Uh huh.

Nope. Couldn't care less. As a matter of fact I'm thinking about sending Trump pictures of handicapped people so he can sign them for me. Let me know if you'd like a copy.

 

[Revoltingest]

Perhaps you should have addressed that comment to...

Oh, you're correct.
But I have before, & found him to be a lost cause.
So these days our conversations are mostly my smiling & showing a little ankle.

 

[BSM1]

Oh, you're correct.
But I have before, & found him to be a lost cause.
So these days our conversations are mostly my smiling & showing a little ankle.

Waaay too little for my taste...

 

[ecco]

Be afraid...be very, very afraid.....bwahahahaha.

Two things every despot does: Get rid of the press; get rid of the opposition.

In some Countries, like after a military coup, it's relatively easy. Just shut down most of the media and co opt the remaining few. Then imprison or kill opposition leaders, or just make them disappear. In bigger Countries, it's a little harder. You buy off or pressure the press. You make just a few of the opposition disappear but make sure everyone knows they disappeared and why.

Don't believe me? Learn a little history about post-Mao China or present day Russia or 1930's Germany and Italy.

Trump can't shut down the media. So he just convinces the sheeples that everything from the media is false. Now he's starting on the opposition. He fired Comey. He's stripped Brennan's security clearance and is threatening to do the same to many more. For those he cannot affect directly, he demeans them.

There are many versions of: Those who forget the mistakes of history are bound to repeat them.

 

[ecco]

Oh, you're correct.
But I have before, & found him to be a lost cause.
So these days our conversations are mostly my smiling & showing a little ankle.

He is indeed.

 

[Revoltingest]

Trump can't shut down the media. So he just convinces the sheeples that everything from the media is false.

This is balanced by those who believe everything they find on NPR, CNN, MSNBC, etc, etc.
Back to the OP, I wonder home many & how soon they'll be praising Warren's proposal
for government to hand over much of business management to the vast unwashed masses?

 

[Revoltingest]

He is indeed.

Hey, are you in any position to criticize?

 

[BSM1]

Two things every despot does: Get rid of the press; get rid of the opposition.

In some Countries, like after a military coup, it's relatively easy. Just shut down most of the media and co opt the remaining few. Then imprison or kill opposition leaders, or just make them disappear. In bigger Countries, it's a little harder. You buy off or pressure the press. You make just a few of the opposition disappear but make sure everyone knows they disappeared and why.

Don't believe me? Learn a little history about post-Mao China or present day Russia or 1930's Germany and Italy.

Trump can't shut down the media. So he just convinces the sheeples that everything from the media is false. Now he's starting on the opposition. He fired Comey. He's stripped Brennan's security clearance and is threatening to do the same to many more. For those he cannot affect directly, he demeans them.

There are many versions of: Those who forget the mistakes of history are bound to repeat them.

So you think Trump is shutting down the media and executing his opposition. Also, Brennan (and Comey, and Clapper, and Strzok) no longer work for the US Government; they have no reason to have any clearance to view any documents concerning any sensitive information whatsoever. You see how the MSM has led you to believe that this is some dastardly act on the part of Trump. You should get some better material, your naivete is showing.

 

[BSM1]

Hey, are you in any position to criticize?

Does bending over backwards count?

 

[Revoltingest]

So you think Trump is shutting down the media and executing his opposition. Also, Brennan (and Comey, and Clapper, and Strzok) no longer work for the US Government; they have no reason to have any clearance to view any documents concerning any sensitive information whatsoever. You see how the MSM has led you to believe that this is some dastardly act on the part of Trump. You should get some better material, your naivete is showing.

I recall when the right was all worked up about the Clintons killing off their
problems. And they too said that all the signs are there, so it must be true.
Crazy knows no party, eh? Besides, the Illuminati are the real danger.

 

[BSM1]

I recall when the right was all worked up about the Clintons killing off their
problems. And they too said that all the signs are there, so it must be true.
Crazy knows no party, eh? Besides, the Illuminati are the real danger.

I certainly have preached this from random street corners...

 

[Quetzal]

Back to the OP, I wonder home many & how soon they'll be praising Warren's proposal
for government to hand over much of business management to the vast unwashed masses?

Probably most, if not all of them. It will also gather steam on social media.

 

[Revoltingest]

Probably most, if not all of them. It will also gather steam on social media.

Aye, those lacking ambition & talent will demand
that such fruits just be handed to them.
They vote. And politicians deliver.

 

[ecco]

Back to the OP, I wonder home many & how soon they'll be praising Warren's proposal
for government to hand over much of business management to the vast unwashed masses?

OK, back to the bill. Where, in the Bill, does it say the government must hand over much of business management to the vast unwashed masses?


BTW Is it an actual bill yet?

 

[Revoltingest]

OK, back to the bill. Where, in the Bill, does it say the government must hand over much of business management to the vast unwashed masses?


BTW Is it an actual bill yet?

From the lined article....
Warren will introduce the bill dubbed the Accountable Capitalism Act on Wednesday. The proposal aims to alter a model she says has caused corporations to chase profits for shareholders to the detriment of workers.
Under the legislation, corporations with more than $1bn in annual revenue would be required to obtain a corporate charter from the federal government – and the document would mandate that companies not just consider the financial interests of shareholders.
Instead, businesses would have to consider all major corporate stakeholders – which could include workers, customers, and the cities and towns where those corporations operate.
:
Employees at large corporations would be able to elect at least 40% of the board of directors. An estimated 3,500 public US companies and hundreds of other private companies would be covered by the mandates.

 

[Shad]

Clearly there are. But Trump has form on this, Obama's birth certificate - it was all hogwash.

I agree. However there is a more recent example of this tactic by Trump. He attacked Cruz over his status and eligibility to be POTUS due to his family's immigration history. Warren will still be a target unless she resolves the issue herself.

 

[Shad]

Big corporations are against capitalism?
Certainly some have a corrupt relationship with government, cadging for handouts,
eg, Tesla. But companies like Ford, GM, Apple, IBM, etc look very much to favor
& practice capitalism.
Even Tesla practices it, the unholy relationship with government notwithstanding.

Warren's proposal heads in the direction of the dictionary definition of "socialism",
by wresting much control of "the means of production" from the stockholders &
managers, & handing it to government & workers.
Note that I'm not claiming that this becomes "socialism", only that it moves things
in the direction of socialism.

As I said previously it forces corporations to become a cooperatives rather than public (stock) by government force. Do note in the linked Act (previous post of mine) the Act fines businesses to revoking licenses for those that do not sign up. Another government gun to people's head.

 

[Shad]

BTW Is it an actual bill yet?

No it is just a proposal.

 

[ecco]

From the lined article....
Warren will introduce the bill dubbed the Accountable Capitalism Act on Wednesday.

Today is Saturday - Is it a Bill yet?

Under the legislation, corporations with more than $1bn in annual revenue would be required to obtain a corporate charter from the federal government – and the document would mandate that companies not just consider the financial interests of shareholders.
Instead, businesses would have to consider all major corporate stakeholders – which could include workers, customers, and the cities and towns where those corporations operate.
:
Employees at large corporations would be able to elect at least 40% of the board of directors. An estimated 3,500 public US companies and hundreds of other private companies would be covered by the mandates.

Where, in the Bill, does it say the government must hand over much of business management to the vast unwashed masses?

Please quote the actual contents of the Bill, not someone's interpretation of it.