Life's "expiry date" of the Jewish religion

[Segev Moran]

In the recent months, in a very unsettling way, all the leaders of the religious (Jewish) communities in Israel mainly and around the world, are spreading the word of the final revelation of the messiah.

It was forbidden to discuss in the past years, but these days (based on their own claims), it is a must to spread the word of the final prophecy of the final year of humanity as we know it.

The prophecy of "God and Magog" is a prophecy that have several debates, but there is a undoubted, non debated agreement about the time, the events and the final result of this prophecy.

what is debatable is the way this end result will rise, but non of the religious "authorities" claims that this prophecy is not already knocking on our doors.

I will not go deep into the prophecy, but in a nut shell, it tells the tale of a world war which end will be undoubted by the entire world witnessing the might and just of the one true God.

Putting aside all the spiritual and analysis of the texts, when addressing the literal word of the prophecy, it clearly states that the heart of the war will be Israel, and the cause of the war will be the possession of Jerusalem.

The end of the prophecy presents a precise and a very detailed of the life after the final war.
It describes the structure of the world, the structure of "God's house" and an unbelievably detailed schemes of the structures and rules that will become a reality after the war.

The prophecy can be found in the book of Yehezkel, Chapter 38-39.

I was wondering what is the POV of Christians and Muslims regarding this prophecy.

I know that both religions have a notion of the "final war" prophecy, but i was wondering about the details of this war.

There are several surprising details about the prophecy that can clearly relate to these days, and i find it quite interesting.

why this unity is so important?

There is a clear due date that is referred to "The time of the end" and there is a term called "Achishena" which means it might occur even sooner depending on the actions of humans in the next years.
But the "Final countdown" is clear and all Jewish authorities talk about it, lecture about it, warn about it and publish it as a date that is "set in stone".

I wonder, once we pass this due date, wouldn't it render the Jewish religion as not relevant anymore?( unless of course it will happen, and then we are all doomed i guess )

There are only a few things the Jewish religion claims that if they will not occur (or will) will render the entire religion false), and i was wondering if the "Gog and Magog" is one of them.

Thoughts?

 

[metis]

I wonder, once we pass this due date,

Judaism has not set any "due date" for the Messiah. Quite the opposite, as the general consensus is that when the Messiah arrives everyone will know.

 

[Segev Moran]

Judaism has not set any "due date" for the Messiah. Quite the opposite, as the general consensus is that when the Messiah arrives everyone will know.

Based on everyone's lecture, the date will be in the year 6000 to creation of man.
That's pretty pin pointed.

 

[metis]

Based on everyone's lecture, the date will be in the year 6000 to creation of man.
That's pretty pin pointed.

Link please.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

The only war in that area will be the one Israel's itching to start.

 

[Tumah]

In the recent months, in a very unsettling way, all the leaders of the religious (Jewish) communities in Israel mainly and around the world, are spreading the word of the final revelation of the messiah.

That's kind of weird being as how I live in Israel, am part of a religious community and somehow have not seen any noticeable increase in discussion of the Messiah by Jewish leaders. I doubt I've even heard anything in the past few months.

It was forbidden to discuss in the past years, but these days (based on their own claims), it is a must to spread the word of the final prophecy of the final year of humanity as we know it.

Forbidden to discuss in the past year? What are you talking about?

The prophecy of "God and Magog" is a prophecy that have several debates, but there is a undoubted, non debated agreement about the time, the events and the final result of this prophecy.

I agree that the time is not debated. Because no Jewish authority claims to know when it will happen.

what is debatable is the way this end result will rise, but non of the religious "authorities" claims that this prophecy is not already knocking on our doors.

And have been for just under 100 years.

There is a clear due date that is referred to "The time of the end" and there is a term called "Achishena" which means it might occur even sooner depending on the actions of humans in the next years.

There is not a single Jewish authority who claims to know when the date of b'itah is.

But the "Final countdown" is clear and all Jewish authorities talk about it, lecture about it, warn about it and publish it as a date that is "set in stone".

...if they happen to be talking about the Messiah. But also, that's what b'itah means.

I wonder, once we pass this due date, wouldn't it render the Jewish religion as not relevant anymore?

There are no authorities who claim to know the date, so there's no way to determine that the date has "passed".

There are only a few things the Jewish religion claims that if they will not occur (or will) will render the entire religion false)

I have not heard of this list. Can I hear some others?

 

[Sleeppy]

Propaganda.. It gives people like you an excuse to kill. And, you will continue to do so.

 

[Segev Moran]

Link please.

‫מתי גוג ומגוג‬‎ - YouTube

Look for the rabbi's, not the stupid video clips trying to make a scare tactics.

 

[Segev Moran]

Link please.

מלחמת גוג ומגוג - איך זה יקרה? (one of the leading Kabalah sites in israel)

In a nut shell, the date is based on the 4th exile of israel.

 

[Segev Moran]

That's kind of weird being as how I live in Israel, am part of a religious community and somehow have not seen any noticeable increase in discussion of the Messiah by Jewish leaders. I doubt I've even heard anything in the past few months.

Cool
Who is your Rabbi?

Forbidden to discuss in the past year? What are you talking about?

I've heard it more than once in lectures (As i stated in the OP).
I have no information wether or not it is true.

I agree that the time is not debated. Because no Jewish authority claims to know when it will happen.

Have you searched for information about it?
Who would you state as an Authority?

And have been for just under 100 years.
Indeed. A 100 years is not long.
I am not saying it will happen in a few weeks.
Please note the OP stating the date is in 230~ years.

There is not a single Jewish authority who claims to know when the date of b'itah is.

You are right, I was mistaken to use the word Date.
What i've meant is that they all claim the signs of the end are already upon us and we are facing the final steps.
i didn't mean date in the sense of July 6th, 2020 or something like that.
But the MAX year is believe to be 6000.

...if they happen to be talking about the Messiah. But also, that's what b'itah means.

Thanks for the info

There are no authorities who claim to know the date, so there's no way to determine that the date has "passed".

See above.

I have not heard of this list. Can I hear some others?

Sure,
If the "kotel" will fall, Jewish religion is rendered false.
If a fish will be found that have Cakes but no Fins will render "God"'s statements as false.
There are a few more.
I can't recall all of them.
"כל שיש לו קשקשת יש לו סנפיר ויש שיש לו סנפיר ואין לו קשקשת." (מסכת נידה, פרק ו')

 

[Subduction Zone]

Based on everyone's lecture, the date will be in the year 6000 to creation of man.
That's pretty pin pointed.

Not really since man has been here at least 200,000 years. That would make it only slightly overdue.

 

[metis]

‫מתי גוג ומגוג‬‎ - YouTube

Look for the rabbi's, not the stupid video clips trying to make a scare tactics.

There are numerous books available to do the research on this written by Jewish scholars, some of them rabbis, so maybe invest in some. Or maybe check this out:

When Will the Mashiach Come?

There are a wide variety of opinions on the subject of when the mashiach will come. Some of Judaism's greatest minds have cursed those who try to predict the time of the mashiach's coming, because errors in such predictions could cause people to lose faith in the messianic idea or in Judaism itself. This actually happened in the 17th century, when Shabbatai Tzvi claimed to be the mashiach. When Tzvi converted to Islam under threat of death, many Jews converted with him. Nevertheless, this prohibition has not stopped anyone from speculating about the time when the mashiach will come.

Although some scholars believed that G-d has set aside a specific date for the coming of the mashiach, most authority suggests that the conduct of mankind will determine the time of the mashiach's coming. In general, it is believed that the mashiach will come in a time when he is most needed (because the world is so sinful), or in a time when he is most deserved (because the world is so good). For example, each of the following has been suggested as the time when the mashiach will come:

• if Israel repented a single day;
• if Israel observed a single Shabbat properly;
• if Israel observed two Shabbats in a row properly;
• in a generation that is totally innocent or totally guilty;
• in a generation that loses hope;
• in a generation where children are totally disrespectful towards their parents and elders.-- Judaism 101: Mashiach: The Messiah

 

[rosends]

It seems that I have been doing all the "being a rabbi" thing wrong because all the Jewish conspiracies never seem to deal me in.

 

[RabbiO]

It seems that I have been doing all the "being a rabbi" thing wrong because all the Jewish conspiracies never seem to deal me in.

I know how you feel.

 

[Segev Moran]

Not really since man has been here at least 200,000 years. That would make it only slightly overdue.

You are mistaking Creation with Evolution

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are mistaking Creation with Evolution

I don't think so, but perhaps you could be clearer.

 

[Segev Moran]

There are numerous books available to do the research on this written by Jewish scholars, some of them rabbis, so maybe invest in some. Or maybe check this out:

Is there a book from recent times?

When Will the Mashiach Come?

There are a wide variety of opinions on the subject of when the mashiach will come. Some of Judaism's greatest minds have cursed those who try to predict the time of the mashiach's coming, because errors in such predictions could cause people to lose faith in the messianic idea or in Judaism itself. This actually happened in the 17th century, when Shabbatai Tzvi claimed to be the mashiach. When Tzvi converted to Islam under threat of death, many Jews converted with him. Nevertheless, this prohibition has not stopped anyone from speculating about the time when the mashiach will come.

Although some scholars believed that G-d has set aside a specific date for the coming of the mashiach, most authority suggests that the conduct of mankind will determine the time of the mashiach's coming. In general, it is believed that the mashiach will come in a time when he is most needed (because the world is so sinful), or in a time when he is most deserved (because the world is so good). For example, each of the following has been suggested as the time when the mashiach will come:

These are all old legends from hundreds of years ago.
I am talking about the current ideas made by many Jewish rabbis. (today)

• if Israel repented a single day;

Will never happen

• if Israel observed a single Shabbat properly;

Lol

• if Israel observed two Shabbats in a row properly;

I thought one ?

• in a generation that is totally innocent or totally guilty;
• in a generation that loses hope;
• in a generation where children are totally disrespectful towards their parents and elders.-- Judaism 101: Mashiach: The Messiah

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Where are all those things written in the (Abrahamic) bible?

 

[Segev Moran]

I don't think so, but perhaps you could be clearer.

We know that humans are here for a very long time.
Creationist do not.
Jewish, Christian and Muslim religions, all believe humans were created almost 6000 years ago. (not including "new age" religious people)
When i talk about Messiah, obviously i talk about creationist and not the scientific methods.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We know that humans are here for a very long time.
Creationist do not.
Jewish, Christian and Muslim religions, all believe humans were created almost 6000 years ago. (not including "new age" religious people)
When i talk about Messiah, obviously i talk about creationist and not the scientific methods.

No, some Christians, Jews, and Muslims believe that myth. Not all. At any rate reality says that your prophecy is 200,000 years past its due date.

 

[Segev Moran]

No, some Christians, Jews, and Muslims believe that myth. Not all. At any rate reality says that your prophecy is 200,000 years past its due date.

i think you've missed the entire idea of the post