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Is Christianity only For Christians?

Amani_Bhava

Member
I have loved Christ ever since I was a child. But I am a Hindu (by birth .. a very watered down Hindu)

Only thing I do not believe is .. Jesus was the only Son of God.

I believe we are all children of God but that because of his devotion and purity of his soul, he was a very special child.

We call it avatar of God (God descended to earth in his being)

I pray to Christ regularly. Are my prayers null because I do not believe he was the only Son of God?

namaste

A_B
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I have loved Christ ever since I was a child. But I am a Hindu (by birth .. a very watered down Hindu)

Only thing I do not believe is .. Jesus was the only Son of God.

I believe we are all children of God but that because of his devotion and purity of his soul, he was a very special child.

We call it avatar of God (God descended to earth in his being)

I pray to Christ regularly. Are my prayers null because I do not believe he was the only Son of God?

namaste

A_B

If christ speaks to you, could you ask him? (No pun)
 

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
I have loved Christ ever since I was a child. But I am a Hindu (by birth .. a very watered down Hindu)

Only thing I do not believe is .. Jesus was the only Son of God.

I believe we are all children of God but that because of his devotion and purity of his soul, he was a very special child.

We call it avatar of God (God descended to earth in his being)

I pray to Christ regularly. Are my prayers null because I do not believe he was the only Son of God?

namaste

A_B

To answer the title question...

No. It is not.

Here is my thinking, being a syncretic. Most religions, having stood for centuries are true. If they are not legitimate, they have to spread through the use of violence (as in, convert to my group or I'll kill you, sort of thing; if a religion has to do that, they're a cult).

Hinduism didn't do this, neither has Taoism, Buddhism, Christianity, or Judaism. Most religions stick around because they have an essential truth. So what are these?
  • Hinduism - God is many, but the many are actually One. Also kinda the spiritual nature of the everyday (more holidays than anyone). Avatars of some of the deities. Paramatman and Atman, a world soul and individual souls. I kinda barely understand Hinduism.
  • Judaism - One of the first monotheistic religions, and also one of the few that pulled away from the use of idols. Before that, many "gods" were actually objects. God is One, and that one is spirit not an object.
  • Shinto - Animism. The divine is in everything.
  • Taoism - The Yin and Yang. The idea that the universe is in balance. There is also a lesser known teaching about a holograph (that existence is perhaps not real)
  • Buddhism - Buddhism is kind of a highbrow religion. I only half-understand it, but the point seems to be a reaction against the Hindu caste system. Buddha also studied under the Jain tradition, so there is alot of self-denial. Buddhism sees the world as a Desire Realm, a sort of illusion where people go through the cycle of rebirth unable to really escape.
  • Christianity - Trinity, and Jesus as the savior/messiah. Also grace.
The thing about all of this, is that if we see religion as the concrete, we think we have to commit wholly to the idea of a man named Jesus. That's great and all, but it's not the point. The point? Understanding the spirit of what the religion is trying to say to us. There are a few things beyond the surface.
  1. First, the Trinity. Aside from the Hindu Triune, there is something different here. Because the Trinity isn't about duty (Creation/Preservation/Destruction), it's about the nature of God. You remember I talked about those other religions, how they believed in either a God, sort of spirits in alot of things, or a sort of avatar? Welp, this is how the Trinity works. We have God (as a deity), we have Jesus (avatar, an incarnate human), and Holy Spirit (Spirit, which empowers souls in a poorly explained way). In other words, just from a sort of half-baked explanation it manages to loosely cover a lot of different religions. I've been a syncretic for awhile, but this ultimately led me back to Christianity proper.
  2. Second, it is important to recognize that despite all of the fuss Christianity makes about Jesus's name, the name isn't all that important. The TITLE on the other hand, is. Jesus is Savior. And outside of Christianity, there were a ton of Jesus-like figures. People who made sacrifices for others, people who came back from the dead. My personal salvation story doesn't include anyone named Jesus. It does include a girl named Emily, and another named Kira, and others. They helped me straighten my life out, when it deeply sucked and I was considering suicide. Salvation is what is important, not whether the person is named Jesus or Krishna or whatever else.
  3. Let's make it three points, because I want to emphasize the whole Trinity thing, grace. What is grace? Well, it's the idea that someone cares about you, even in spite of you feeling like a worthless wretch. Now, why is this important outside of Christianity? Alright then, think about someone who has managed to screw their life up through terrible deeds. Karma (what Jews call The Law) would decide that they will probably have a sucky path to new life. At some point, the whole thing winds up feeling hopeless. The point is, when you feel like maybe things aren't quite as bad as they seem, suddenly you wind up trying to turn things around. I'm pretty bad at explaining this, but the point is you fare better because you understand that someone looks up for you regardless. Now, this is only half of the equation, but in addition to you improving your life as a result of goodwill and their believing in you, the idea of grace is that you are probably already okay. You can't really earn grace, so in essence, the more worried about following the law you are, the more likely you will screw up. This is kind of a hard pill to swallow for believers in karma though.
If you want to get a sense of what Christianity can accomplish in one who isn't a Christian, read Deepak Chopra Life After Death: The Burden of Proof. He seamlessly blends the two faiths of Hindu/Christian in a way that I found myself liking even when I had no understanding of some of the Hindu metaphors.

Christianity is important to non-Christians, but the emphasis is taken away from the specific trappings, and more as part of the general idea of what salvation and grace mean.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I have loved Christ ever since I was a child. But I am a Hindu (by birth .. a very watered down Hindu)

Only thing I do not believe is .. Jesus was the only Son of God.

I believe we are all children of God but that because of his devotion and purity of his soul, he was a very special child.

We call it avatar of God (God descended to earth in his being)

I pray to Christ regularly. Are my prayers null because I do not believe he was the only Son of God?

namaste

A_B
No, he is madly in love with you.

I greatly admire you for praying to Jesus regularly and being a Hindu at the same time! God admires you more than I do! :)

I love to see it when different faiths come together like this:heart:
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Are my prayers null because I do not believe he was the only Son of God?
Namaste Amani-Ji,

When we remove the false texts of John, Paul, and Simon we're left with a different perspective of what Yeshua said.

He told us that everyone is a child of God if they do the work of God (Karma), practise devotion to him (Bhakti), seek God first (Jnana), give up wealth (Dharma), and follow him (Matthew 12:50).

The only begotten son nonsense is only found in the fake Gospel of John.

Praying as with any avatar, should be done through them, not at them; Yeshua prayed to the God Most High (Brahman).

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I have loved Christ ever since I was a child. But I am a Hindu (by birth .. a very watered down Hindu)
Only thing I do not believe is .. Jesus was the only Son of God.
I believe we are all children of God but that because of his devotion and purity of his soul, he was a very special child.
We call it avatar of God (God descended to earth in his being)
I pray to Christ regularly. Are my prayers null because I do not believe he was the only Son of God?
namaste
A_B
In the context of Scripture, the pre-human heavenly Jesus was the beginning of the creation by God.
So, Jesus was the only direct heavenly creation by his God as per Revelation 3:14 B; 1:5; Colossians 1:15.
Since all other creation comes through Jesus is why Jesus is the only Son of God as in God's only-begotten Son.
So, God sent the pre-human Jesus to Earth for us. Jesus did Not send himself.
His God transferred Jesus' heavenly life to be born as a human for us to balance the 'scales of justice' for us.
Both Adam and Jesus started out sinless. Adam proved unfaithful under least. Jesus proved faithful under much.
Sinless Jesus being faithful til death paid a ransom price for us so that we can have a resurrection back to life.
Since we can Not resurrect oneself or another we need someone who can resurrect us.
Through Jesus then we can have a resurrection that would otherwise Not be possible - Revelation 1:18.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
If christ speaks to you, could you ask him? (No pun)
Sure, we can 'ask anything' because although the Bible is Not written in ABC order as a dictionary is, we can take one topic at a time, or one subject at a time, and see the internal harmony within Jesus' teachings.
The ancient people of Acts of the Apostles 17:11 searched or researched the Scriptures every day to see if what they were learning, or what they were hearing, was really what the Bible teaches.
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
To answer the title question...

No. It is not.

Here is my thinking, being a syncretic. Most religions, having stood for centuries are true. If they are not legitimate, they have to spread through the use of violence (as in, convert to my group or I'll kill you, sort of thing; if a religion has to do that, they're a cult).

Hinduism didn't do this, neither has Taoism, Buddhism, Christianity, or Judaism. Most religions stick around because they have an essential truth. So what are these?
  • Hinduism - God is many, but the many are actually One. Also kinda the spiritual nature of the everyday (more holidays than anyone). Avatars of some of the deities. Paramatman and Atman, a world soul and individual souls. I kinda barely understand Hinduism.
  • Judaism - One of the first monotheistic religions, and also one of the few that pulled away from the use of idols. Before that, many "gods" were actually objects. God is One, and that one is spirit not an object.
  • Shinto - Animism. The divine is in everything.
  • Taoism - The Yin and Yang. The idea that the universe is in balance. There is also a lesser known teaching about a holograph (that existence is perhaps not real)
  • Buddhism - Buddhism is kind of a highbrow religion. I only half-understand it, but the point seems to be a reaction against the Hindu caste system. Buddha also studied under the Jain tradition, so there is alot of self-denial. Buddhism sees the world as a Desire Realm, a sort of illusion where people go through the cycle of rebirth unable to really escape.
  • Christianity - Trinity, and Jesus as the savior/messiah. Also grace.
The thing about all of this, is that if we see religion as the concrete, we think we have to commit wholly to the idea of a man named Jesus. That's great and all, but it's not the point. The point? Understanding the spirit of what the religion is trying to say to us. There are a few things beyond the surface.
  1. First, the Trinity. Aside from the Hindu Triune, there is something different here. Because the Trinity isn't about duty (Creation/Preservation/Destruction), it's about the nature of God. You remember I talked about those other religions, how they believed in either a God, sort of spirits in alot of things, or a sort of avatar? Welp, this is how the Trinity works. We have God (as a deity), we have Jesus (avatar, an incarnate human), and Holy Spirit (Spirit, which empowers souls in a poorly explained way). In other words, just from a sort of half-baked explanation it manages to loosely cover a lot of different religions. I've been a syncretic for awhile, but this ultimately led me back to Christianity proper.
  2. Second, it is important to recognize that despite all of the fuss Christianity makes about Jesus's name, the name isn't all that important. The TITLE on the other hand, is. Jesus is Savior. And outside of Christianity, there were a ton of Jesus-like figures. People who made sacrifices for others, people who came back from the dead. My personal salvation story doesn't include anyone named Jesus. It does include a girl named Emily, and another named Kira, and others. They helped me straighten my life out, when it deeply sucked and I was considering suicide. Salvation is what is important, not whether the person is named Jesus or Krishna or whatever else.
  3. Let's make it three points, because I want to emphasize the whole Trinity thing, grace. What is grace? Well, it's the idea that someone cares about you, even in spite of you feeling like a worthless wretch. Now, why is this important outside of Christianity? Alright then, think about someone who has managed to screw their life up through terrible deeds. Karma (what Jews call The Law) would decide that they will probably have a sucky path to new life. At some point, the whole thing winds up feeling hopeless. The point is, when you feel like maybe things aren't quite as bad as they seem, suddenly you wind up trying to turn things around. I'm pretty bad at explaining this, but the point is you fare better because you understand that someone looks up for you regardless. Now, this is only half of the equation, but in addition to you improving your life as a result of goodwill and their believing in you, the idea of grace is that you are probably already okay. You can't really earn grace, so in essence, the more worried about following the law you are, the more likely you will screw up. This is kind of a hard pill to swallow for believers in karma though.
If you want to get a sense of what Christianity can accomplish in one who isn't a Christian, read Deepak Chopra Life After Death: The Burden of Proof. He seamlessly blends the two faiths of Hindu/Christian in a way that I found myself liking even when I had no understanding of some of the Hindu metaphors.

Christianity is important to non-Christians, but the emphasis is taken away from the specific trappings, and more as part of the general idea of what salvation and grace mean.
It does not sound like you are familiar with Judaism or Christian history.
 

Amani_Bhava

Member
How does that work with Buddhism though, I am curious.

It only conflicts with supramundane right view which being panna/prajna is the last part of the Eight fold Path. Read this article Right View: Samma Ditthi

Since none of us are going to get anywhere near that stage in next few lifetimes it matters little if you pray in this lifetime. If you have right view (samma dithi) you are enlightened. Till that stage arrives you are free to pray to God/Gods/angels/devas.

Buddha has spoken of devas. Think of Christ as a deva from arupaloka or as a very high bodhisattva

Many ways to fit this into Buddhism. Of course it will not be accepted by an atheist western Buddhist .. but if you are willing to go by your own understanding a deva is not unknown in Buddhism nor is praying to one considered wrong (it is not encouraged but it is also not considered wrong)

Only thing Buddhism strongly frowns on is speculating about Creator God. Nothing more.

Buddhism is a modular religion (like building using lego). It is upto the believer to choose how many lego blocks he wants to use in this life. Till 2028 I am concentrating on right speech (samma vaca), right intention (sammā sankappa), right effort (sammā-vāyāma), right concentration (sammā-samādhi)

Also .. I am not a believer in Christianity .. but a believer in Christ .. there is a rather vast difference.

namaste

A_B
 
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Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
I believe God descended to earth in his form. But that there have been others too.

Is that not correct?

namaste

A_B

Why does God need to descend in human form and not emanate not as some animate object, but as an inspiration like that of Moses receiving the law or through an incorporeal intermediary in the form of an angel like Gabriel to Muhammad?
 

syo

Well-Known Member
I believe God descended to earth in his form. But that there have been others too.

Is that not correct?

namaste

A_B
no, it's not correct. the Son/Jesus doesn't have a form. when Jesus came to earth, he took the human form only because he wanted to save humans. he did us a favor by taking the human form. because Jesus/Son took the human form, we, humans, are blessed. and the only God is the Holy Trinity, so there aren't other gods that walked the earth.
 
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