brainwashed?

[Kenny]

Atheists are not wanting their agenda in schools;

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It is the same thing, keep religion out of schools is the answer.

That IS the athiest agenda that they want taught in schools

 

[Faithofchristian]

Of course atheism has an agenda. It's agenda is to talk theists out of their theism, but that's a really hard thing to do...

"It is easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they've been fooled."
Mark Twain

Atheists are doing all they can to convince the theist that they've been fooled, but as Twain points out its dam near impossible.

Now that's amazing, How do you not know that Atheists are the ones that's being fooled. And your right about that, that's it's dam near impossible to get Atheists to see this.

 

[Drizzt Do'Urden]

Now that's amazing, How do you not know that Atheists are the ones that's being fooled. And your right about that, that's it's dam near impossible to get Atheists to see this.

I think the atheist is as much of a fool as the theist, no offense guys, but I think both sides of the theist vs atheist debate have it wrong, yet right at the same time.

Theists are right in saying a god exists, but they're wrong about all their fairy tale beliefs about it being a personal god, believing that it, a god, would deign to impregnate a teenage Jewish virgin, that it would whisper to Arabic prophets in caves

Atheists are right that the theist's rendition of god doesn't exist, but they're wrong about a more universal god, a creator, existing (believing there is no creator)

 

[Jumi]

bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/Would_You_Kindly
In retrospect, that was probably a pretty obscure reference for a religious forum.
Edit: the links not working, just copy and paste into your browser

Well in my case, I missed that reference. I used to be a fan of cyberpunk-dystopia genre gaming, so I would probably have known that had I not stopped gaming.

 

[Mock Turtle]

That's the whole problem with Atheists they have no agenda, its what ever fits their narrative.

So they can be equally open-minded to all the religious then - unlike the various faith schools or those that do tend to teach just one faith. No one is advocating stopping the teaching of religions - not me at least - just not to indoctrinate them.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

i've noticed, a lot of people, mostly atheists, believe that christians are brainwashed by the christian doctrine. do atheists find the chistian doctrine so absurd, that only by brainwashing someone can believe in it? what if atheistic ideas are brainwashing humans? suppose atheism becomes the dominant norm in a society. will we say then that atheism brainwashes the mind of people, and the skeptic ones will be the christians?

Atheism has been the dominant norm- in places like USSR, North Korea, Communist China. - achieved through extreme oppression of every other belief

And where freedom of thought has returned in recent decades, so has faith, including Christianity

 

[Mock Turtle]

I think the atheist is as much of a fool as the theist, no offense guys, but I think both sides of the theist vs atheist debate have it wrong, yet right at the same time.

Theists are right in saying a god exists, but they're wrong about all their fairy tale beliefs about it being a personal god, believing that it, a god, would deign to impregnate a teenage Jewish virgin, that it would whisper to Arabic prophets in caves

Atheists are right that the theist's rendition of god doesn't exist, but they're wrong about a more universal god, a creator, existing (believing there is no creator)

Perhaps. But you are just as wrong. Agnosticism is the only viable option really.

 

[Woberts]

Atheism has been the dominant norm- in places like USSR, North Korea, Communist China. - achieved through extreme oppression of every other belief

And where freedom of thought has returned in recent decades, so has faith, including Christianity

LogicalThinking.exe has stopped working.
Netherlands - Wikipedia
Czech Republic - Wikipedia
They're doing just fine.
Edit: the Czech Republic has an even higher irreligion rate, and they're doing great.

 

[Altfish]

Well there you go, Atheists only wants their agenda in schools. Thank you for admitting that

Can you read?
Why, when I say we don't want atheism taught in schools am I getting my agenda?
If I say that I don't want Capitalism taught in schools or Socialism, does that mean I want money banned.
The fact that religion isn't taught in schools does not promote atheism.

 

[Altfish]

That IS the athiest agenda that they want taught in schools

Good grief, what is it you don't understand.
If we stop religion being taught (and by that I mean one 'special' religion being preached) I DO NOT WANT LESSONS IN ATHEISM, do you understand.
Lessons in atheism is as bad as lessons in Christianity.

 

[ChristineM]

i've noticed, a lot of people, mostly atheists, believe that christians are brainwashed by the christian doctrine. do atheists find the chistian doctrine so absurd, that only by brainwashing someone can believe in it? what if atheistic ideas are brainwashing humans? suppose atheism becomes the dominant norm in a society. will we say then that atheism brainwashes the mind of people, and the skeptic ones will be the christians?

Brainwashing can take many forms. A parent or family constantly telling a child to believe as they believe or ******* (whatever religious terror is currently hip) will befall them is going to mould the childs personality. Is that brainwashing? It follows the classic technique.

As for atheistic ideas, their are none, atheism is simply the disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. Nothing more, nothing less, any ideas you attribute to atheism are individual.

However, considering a baby is born with a lack of belief in god or gods i really don't see how your last sentence makes sense.

 

[Altfish]

Atheism has been the dominant norm- in places like USSR, North Korea, Communist China. - achieved through extreme oppression of every other belief

And where freedom of thought has returned in recent decades, so has faith, including Christianity

No, the suppression of religion is so that people worship the state. Have you seen the people in North Korea praising their beloved leader. That is not atheism it is idolism

 

[Drizzt Do'Urden]

Perhaps. But you are just as wrong. Agnosticism is the only viable option really.

The natural laws and processes that define and manage this universe had to have a cause. After all, everything in this universe has a cause, even the natural laws and processes that make everything we see around us possible.

We call that something, we give that something the placeholder name, god.

 

[Nakosis]

i've noticed, a lot of people, mostly atheists, believe that christians are brainwashed by the christian doctrine. do atheists find the chistian doctrine so absurd, that only by brainwashing someone can believe in it? what if atheistic ideas are brainwashing humans? suppose atheism becomes the dominant norm in a society. will we say then that atheism brainwashes the mind of people, and the skeptic ones will be the christians?

Brainwashing starts at an early age when parents try to instill whatever values the parents feel are appropriate for their children to have. This is no different for atheist parents except some of those values are likely different.

Aren't Christians already skeptic of many values that non-believers hold?

I tend to be more skeptic of my own values. Is there any good reason for them or just some left-over residual brainwashing from childhood.

 

[Mock Turtle]

The natural laws and processes that define and manage this universe had to have a cause. After all, everything in this universe has a cause, even the natural laws and processes that make everything we see around us possible.

We call that something, we give that something the placeholder name, god.

Have you seen the thread about my precious stone? Cause?

 

[Nakosis]

Perhaps. But you are just as wrong. Agnosticism is the only viable option really.

English biologist Thomas Henry Huxley coined the word "agnostic" in 1869, and said "It simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe." Agnosticism - Wikipedia

So I suppose that makes me an Agnostic Atheist, or is that redundant?

 

[Drizzt Do'Urden]

Have you seen the thread about my precious stone? Cause?

No, I haven't... Have a link? I'll try to find it otherwise.

Cause? What's your question?

 

[Mock Turtle]

English biologist Thomas Henry Huxley coined the word "agnostic" in 1869, and said "It simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe." Agnosticism - Wikipedia

So I suppose that makes me an Agnostic Atheist, or is that redundant?

Not sure. But I certainly have no belief in the truthfulness of any religion based on the supposition that a god exists - and/or has any relevance for us humans.

 

[Mock Turtle]

No, I haven't... Have a link? I'll try to find it otherwise.

Cause? What's your question?

Shaped by design?

 

[Drizzt Do'Urden]

Shaped by design?

LOL! Try to be more specific...