Yes, it affects the mind profoundly and should not be considered mere entertainment. I doubt it is even useful for spiritual benefits. I can't imagine why anyone would be interested in it except maybe in microdoses or for medical needs.
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Is Cannabis an Essential Part of our Religions?
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Drugs are fun and make people feel good. That's why people use them and always will. It's not so difficult to understand. You've never had alcohol before?
Tumah
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Are you an pharmacologist? I do not believe you are a pharmacologist. I believe you are continuing to spout more Wizanda-excrement. You can -of course- choose at any point to provide evidence of any of your claims (like: solubility increases potency, oils increase absorbency beyond what the study had trialed, that the pharmacological construction of the anointing oil was in any way advanced, that correspondence with shamanistic plants is indication of advancement, etc.). But until such time as you do, it's really just you making stuff up and expecting the people on this forum to believe it.This topic isn't about me or you...
Exodus 30:23-25 “Also take fine spices: of liquid myrrh, five hundred shekels; and of fragrant cinnamon half as much, even two hundred and fifty; and of kaneh bosem (fragrant cane), two hundred and fifty; (24) and of cassia five hundred, after the shekel of the sanctuary; and a hin of olive oil. (25) You shall make it into a holy anointing oil, a perfume compounded after the art of the perfumer: it shall be a holy anointing oil.
When each of these are made as fine oils, the THC is fat soluble, so it causes it to become super potent for healing, as we're seeing in the USA's medicinal use...
All the ingredients are known shamanic plants that were used for medicine for generations, so its pharmacological construction at that time period would have been advanced even today.
Because all of the oils can then absorb through the skin as a compound, it is possible for them to dermatologically absorb.
It's like George's Marvelous Medicine, a Wonder Lotion that heals and enlightens; yet that's become a thing of the past, where now a days people are no longer interested in science.
In my opinion.
That's just not how this works. That's not how any of this works.
All drugs only expound upon what is already there.
The chart is history, and isn't distorted; that is a perception being applied to it.
A Christ means an anointed one, and he went teaching we can heal with cannabis anointing oil... Zarathustra was on Haoma, and Hindu texts were inspired by Soma.
- So a Christian is an anointed follower, and the early church healed with the oil.
- Modern Rabbinic Judaism admittingly is blinded, and Cursed according to prophecy.
- The Quran has cannabis in, and personally perceive Muhammad's poetry was inspired the same as the rest.
- Buddha being brought up in a culture were it was completely acceptable in the form of Bhang, and was seen as a sacred Herb, would not have this westernized stigma that it is some form of drug.
- Hindu and Zoroastrian texts most likely have been inspired by it.
'Hemp was probably the earliest plant cultivated for textile fiber. Archaeologists found a remnant of hemp cloth in ancient Mesopotamia (currently Iran and Iraq) which dates back to 8,000 BC. Hemp is also believed to be the oldest example of human industry. In the Lu Shi, a Chinese work of the Sung dynasty (500 AD), we find reference to the Emperor Shen Nung (28th century BC) who taught his people to cultivate hemp for cloth. It is believed that hemp made it to Europe in approximately 1,200 BC. From there, it spread throughout the ancient world.' - The People's History
From hemp is a full range of amino acids, and a full range of omega oils, we only get omega 3 from fish oil, which regulates neuro-firing by joining onto cannabinoid receptors in the brain...
This is why CBD oil works to regulate epileptic fits, as it stops the over firing of the brain; yet all of our brains need balancing, else our thinking can be erratic in some way.
In my opinion.
So much for appealing to your intelligence.
Personally if was posed that question on my own religion, that would prove divine understanding given by our God, would go find a pharmacologist, ask them what would happen at a molecular level if we mixed these herbs together, and then be outspoken about the results.
In my opinion.
Tumah
Veteran Member
You are not making an appeal to my intelligence because you are not substantiating your claims, using logic or reasoning skills. You're simply making verifiable, yet as yet unsupported -and according to the source I've provided - unreasonable claims and expecting others to appreciate and perhaps accept them.So much for appealing to your intelligence.
That's not how this works.
Great, so as someone who doesn't need to prove divine understanding or publicize it, I don't feel the need to do that. But I think if you expect anyone on this forum to take you seriously, you should speak to a pharmacologist and substantiate your claims. Next time, preferably before you make them.Personally if was posed that question on my own religion, that would prove divine understanding given by our God, would go find a pharmacologist, ask them what would happen at a molecular level if we mixed these herbs together, and then be outspoken about the results.
In my opinion.
On a related note, prophets weren't anointed with this oil. Only Priests and kings.
Personally don't see them as unreasonable, have given reasons to question the history, the biology, etc, if someone is interested...
The Messianic age (anointed age) is only for the people who get this... 'Anti-Christ' is the same as 'Anti-Anointing'.
Thus don't need to win these debates on the forum, as it is only others loss if they don't want to understand the information already available to us.
In my opinion.
Tumah
Veteran Member
I understand that you don't see them as unreasonable and this has been a common denominator in your posts. But the fact is that regular people require at least some small amount of substantiation. You are missing all of the substantiations. Questioning history, biology, etc. is one thing. Presenting unsubstantiated opinions on how something might be - especially when there is reason to believe it does not be like that - is unreasonable without substantiation. If you want to present some ideas about the effects of the anointing oil, or souma or anything else, don't just present something that might possibly be an explanation for what/how it is. No one has any reason to accept that. Instead, either present it as an unverified possibility or present third-party studies on the at least the key points. This way, the people who do not already accept your words as gospel, as devotees to Øneness will have some reason to even consider the possibility of your claim.
My Greek isn't great, but I'm pretty sure that christ means "anointed one", not "anointing". It's a different part of speech.
Thus don't need to win these debates on the forum, as it is only others loss if they don't want to understand the information already available to us.
In my opinion.
Well, I don't think anyone ever questioned your confidence in yourself.
It is confidence in the information already available to us, and what God has told me in advanced.
Thank you very much for the helpful appraisal, and slowly I'm trying to be more detailed in my approach of laying out things for other people to understand...
Could do with a group of academically minded Godly people who get where this is coming from, so then they can explain it, as i skip ahead to much, and expect everyone to keep up.
In my opinion.
Tumah
Veteran Member
Well, whatever works for you.
Well, let's start small. I don't think you need godly people to test the trans-dermal efficacy of a concoction. Academically minded will do just fine for that.Thank you very much for the helpful appraisal, and slowly I'm trying to be more detailed in my approach of laying out things for other people to understand...
Could do with a group of academically minded Godly people who get where this is coming from, so then they can explain it, as i skip ahead to much, and expect everyone to keep up.
In my opinion.
The text on that is pretty hard for me to read on my phone. Can you tell me where that image mentions marijuana?
True, and have looked online, and in the past got in touch with THC Ministry who had used the cannabis oil for healing; yet not all the other ingredients done as specified.
Would need a laboratory, and some people who are interested in proving the anointing oil has miraculous power to heal...
Which is all going to cost; so would be nice if could find some Godly Jews who want to help prove our religion, rather than getting the Gentiles to realize why we're ignorant.
In my opinion.
At the beginning of the religious structures is shamanic roots; which means that many of our ancient cultures took psychotropic plants...
Plus many of the modern religions stem from roots, that were heavily influenced by cannabis culture of the time.
In my opinion.
So not on the picture at all. Thanks.At the beginning of the religious structures is shamanic roots; which means that many of our ancient cultures took psychotropic plants...
Plus many of the modern religions stem from roots, that were heavily influenced by cannabis culture of the time.
In my opinion.
Do you think that cannabis use in ancient religions was more or less prevalent than animal sacrifice?
Tumah
Veteran Member
Who's "our" white man?
Was being generous by including you as being of the Tribe of Judah, and thus an Israelite.
Animal sacrifice seems to be more prevalent in religious understanding today, as it was for everyone; yet cannabis usage was normal, and as some form of religious ceremony was only for special religious dignitaries.
In my opinion.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
The whole point of this POST is to find out whether or not drugs is spiritual needed/important
[obvious you need to be spiritual advanced to make a smart decision on matters related to spirtuality]
So actually it's very simple to answer this whole POST:
1): If you are not spiritual the obvious only choice is "You can't decide if it is good; better don't use it".
2): When you became spiritual advanced without using it, why start using it now?
The other question that comes to mind is:
==> Why are you trying so hard to defend that the use of drugs is good or even needed on the spiritual path?
*): Of course if "God" tells you to do it, then do it. But be honest. Is it "God" who tells you, or is it your monkey mind desiring to use it
[obvious you need to be spiritual advanced to make a smart decision on matters related to spirtuality]
So actually it's very simple to answer this whole POST:
1): If you are not spiritual the obvious only choice is "You can't decide if it is good; better don't use it".
2): When you became spiritual advanced without using it, why start using it now?
The other question that comes to mind is:
==> Why are you trying so hard to defend that the use of drugs is good or even needed on the spiritual path?
*): Of course if "God" tells you to do it, then do it. But be honest. Is it "God" who tells you, or is it your monkey mind desiring to use it
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Not true. A good friend of mine, years ago, "religiously" kept a clipboard and pens/pencils within easy reach whenever he was using the psychedelic de jour. The vast majority of his "flight notes" made a great deal of sense and were very far from incoherent ravings. Even his strange images and doodles were quite compelling in an odd way in that they did not resemble anything from this world but over a period of years they repeatedly showed an internal consistency. Overall I found his "flight notes" to be quite rational and more that a bit insightful, sometimes staggeringly so.
Thank you for the question...
Having spent 14 years now talking with people online, it is interesting that those who have experimented the most, often have more advanced psyches.
Based on neurological research they're finding that psychedelics increase our neural network, and that cannabis is beneficial for the brain.
If you listen to scientist on this topic, who are not manipulated by belief to be illogical, the data leads to these being tools for spiritual development.
In the past within shamanic community there was a ceremony, where when you reached 21 you'd spend time with the Tribal leaders, and take psychedelics so you encompassed what it was to be a adult...
Now tho at 21, people go out get drunk, collapse in the gutter, and be sick all over the place.... and people think this is flipping normal.
So personally not encouraging drugs in the slightest, can't stand them, don't even drink coffee anymore, and try to avoid chemicals...
This is about shamanic plants that were socially acceptable being banned, removed from the texts, and then being frowned upon by the religions these inspired.
In my opinion.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Good point. I also like to get my own personal experience. But it need not be the drug impact it can be the "drive to experiment yourself" that changes the brain. At least you are creative, and for sure this has impact on the brain. Plus you have less fear [many who are against, also have fear for it]
Good story to illustrate "Mother told Rama krishna, please tell my son to stop eating sugar, I am poor. R.K said to come back in 2 week. After 2 weeks R.K told the boy to stop eating sugar. Mother quite irritated asked why he didn't tell last time, on which R.K answered "back then I was eating sugar, how could I advice the boy to stop?". I first needed to see if I could stop myself"
TOPPER: People who judge drug-users I always confront them with their addiction: How many times sex a year, Coffee, Black Tea, Meat, binging.
Good illustration "Diciple asked guru .. how many times sex. One child is enough. But master we live in same house. Oke, once a year then. But master we sleep in same bed. Once a month is the maximum. Before Diciple could complain again he added "If you want more, better step in coffin rightaway"
[Or like Jesus said "Who is without sin, he can throw the first stone"]. That's why my main sadhana is "Judge not". Most difficult, I agree. But good 1.
Thanks for all the details. Makes this POST very interesting. Same here, no coffee, and minimizing chemicals and other excess.