It's based on God. Moral intellect based on reasoning is always changing.
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Why Agree with God?
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Ponder This
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I believe God as described by Judaism exist, but I am baffled by why so many people believe that becuase a god or goddess exists that we should agree with their rules and attitudes.
Why is this so prevelant?
Thanks for your time and please play nice.
Hmm, well I suppose it is prevalent because people are afraid to disagree or don't think that they should voice disagreement. I mean: aren't they supposed to Love God or something?
Yes I believe God is not perfect you see, and He did kill some people that he shouldn't have. He made mistakes and sought to rectify them by killing.
Yes re-litigating life for every single person is even more to what my book stands for than just race or just something else.
Something that never changes can never improve.
... not that religious morality is unchanging; it changes continuously. Its adherents just like to pretend that whatever their current position is has always been that way.
He also invented 'immoral' then.
Axe Elf
Prophet
Absolutely! Things exist only in contrast to their negation. Better to have both than neither.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. --Isaiah 45:7
The Lord has made everything [to accommodate itself and contribute] to its own end and His own purpose--even the wicked [are fitted for their role] for the day of calamity and evil. --Proverbs 16:4
Even assuming God not changing the rules is a good thing in terms of morality...which is a big assumption...the vast majority of God's representatives on Earth (or all of them, even) are self-appointed, and their religions man made.
You realise the irony of disagreeing with the 'smartest person in the thread' about something they would understand more intimately than you, right?
Particularly when the view they are espousing is not self-serving?
I have a friend and her IQ is 168! She is a Mormon Jew. She says there are many Jewish geniuses, more than in the general population.
Wow, so much to impact in a single sentence.
So, she's Jewish heritage, but Mormon religiously?
Look, IQ is a seriously flawed way to measure 'intelligence'. But for the sake of argument, let's go with that as a starting point. The deviation between 'high' performing religions and 'low' is generally in the order of about 10 points. Combine that with the flaws in IQ as a measure, and it's basically a crapshoot. But for what it's worth, I've never seen one of these provide 'evidence' that Mormons rate higher than the norm. Actually, they tend to be lower than the norm, in the US.
Jews, on the other hand, tend to be higher. But given that these are measures by religiosity, your friend is more outlier than representative, right?
Treat people based on their personal skills, abilities, ethics, and efforts, and you'll find the world a much simpler place, imho.
I'm not talking about the adherents. Yes, there are a variety even in the adherents and scripturally, acceptable. But God's morality doesn't change.
I'm not the judge on that one. "Vast majority" is quite a statement and I'm not sure how one can validate that.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I don't think religion has anything at all to do with intelligence, but I'd be very interested in seeing your source.
A fair point, but my thinking is as follows;
If the Christians are right, the Muslims and Hindus are not. If the Muslims are right, then the Christians and Hindus are not. And so on.
That's without even considering the enormous diversity of belief sitting within Christianity (for example).
To be clear, I don't think it does either, and I don't rate iq tests. But I've seen the results, dubious as I am of their worth.
The meta study referred to on Wikipedia is oft-cited.
Religiosity and intelligence - Wikipedia
I'm not trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill but I stick by what my religion says. I believe in IQ. There is general IQ and specific IQ, like IQ for governing. We may not measure it so accurately, she's Jewish by race, but her and I have known too many Jews, both historically and in person, for us to have any doubt.
JustWondering
Jerk
I believe God as described by Judaism exist, but I am baffled by why so many people believe that becuase a god or goddess exists that we should agree with their rules and attitudes.
Why is this so prevelant?
Thanks for your time and please play nice.
From what I have personally observed most people are followers. They want someone in a position of authority to give them reassurances that everything will work out in the end. Thus, most peoples craving for security drives them to authority figures that make them feel safe. Who's a bigger, badder, authority figure then a god?
Religious or cultural Jews? Assuming you're right, which I don't, how do you think this happens? Genetic, environmental, etc?
Anyways, slight sidebar, but have you ever read either Gardner or DeBonos work on Multiple Intelligences? Worth a Google, given your interest in this area.
Cultural Jews. I think it happened because different teams of Extra-Terrestrial creators created different groups of people. I have talked about this through many subjects on this forum. You might try what was the very popular Aliens and the Bible thread.
I talked with Gardner face to face and asked him why he didn't include creativity in his intelligences. I was not satisfied with his answer. Yes and so I have also mentioned that there is general IQ and governing IQ. There are many different areas of IQ. The SAT still has many different topics even if it is focused on reading, writing and arithmetic, and it has the least number of areas (unless you mean like the Math SAT).