Why Agree with God?

[Naama]

Anger can go to hell and the sun won't set on him.

....?

 

[Naama]

Sorry to turn you off to conversation... I think there are more geniuses out of Jews than other races. I think the fact that you are questioning obeying God shows your intelligence just like the Jews in the Bible questioned Moses and you and PopeADope.

It's culture and upbringing that has the greatest effect on intelligence and success in life....there is no evidence in science that any race is biologically disposed to be more intelligent than the others.

......Also I really hate racism.

EDIT: Please read your signature.

 

[MonkeyFire]

....?

It says in the bible don't let the sun set on your anger, but I say stock him where the sun don't shine.

 

[Etritonakin]

........No. I don’t believe that the ends justify the means and if he where to make me believe that then I wouldn’t be me anymore. You don’t know people as well as you’ve think if you believe we can all be cowed that way.

The end -making all things and beings perfect -REQUIRES the means.
Otherwise we could never be a perfect and corruptible self.
God would have had to scrap the idea of reproducing himself -creating the children of God -otherwise.
I am not saying I know people. I know the plan of God as described in the bible, and it makes sense.

I am not saying we should look around and say this is ok -but just the opposite. This is horrible and in vain in and of itself -so much so that it will never -ever -happen again. He gave many opportunities -but was constantly rejected -so he allowed us to experience.

We have to endure this whether or not you believe God has anything to do with it. I am glad there is any sense to it at all -and more so that every last thing will eventually be righted.

It remains to be seen how you will feel about things later, but these things will no longer exist.

 

[Naama]

It says in the bible don't let the sun set on your anger, but I say stock him where the sun don't shine.

.....I'm sorry but what does that have to do with God's anger?

 

[Naama]

The end -making all things and beings perfect -REQUIRES the means.
Otherwise we could never be a perfect and corruptible self.
God would have had to scrap the idea of reproducing himself -creating the children of God -otherwise.
I am not saying I know people. I know the plan of God as described in the bible, and it makes sense.

I am not saying we should look around and say this is ok -but just the opposite. This is horrible and in vain in and of itself -so much so that it will never -ever -happen again. He gave many opportunities -but was constantly rejected -so he allowed us to experience.

We have to endure this whether or not you believe God has anything to do with it. I am glad there is any sense to it at all -and more so that every last thing will eventually be righted.

It remains to be seen how you will feel about things later, but these things will no longer exist.

I thought you believed that God is all-powerful?

 

[robocop (actually)]

It's culture and upbringing that has the greatest effect on intelligence and success in life....there is no evidence in science that any race is biologically disposed to be more intelligent than the others.

......Also I really hate racism.

EDIT: Please read your signature.

Sorry... nobody who knows me thinks of me as racist. DIfferent teams of creators created the races on Earth, but we are all so wonderfully created that there's no room to disrespect anyone.

Part of the "intelligence" of the Jewish race is through their religion I will admit.

 

[robocop (actually)]

I really hope this board doesn't think I am racist and that the mods don't get me in trouble. Please understand my belief: Aliens created life in different places on Earth. They decided to create humans and they each created theirs. They were all so wonderfully great that we are not allowed to disrespect any of them.

 

[robocop (actually)]

For that reason the Jews were told that they were inheriting Israel because those there bowed down to false gods.

 

[Naama]

Sorry... nobody who knows me thinks of me as racist. DIfferent teams of creators created the races on Earth, but we are all so wonderfully created that there's no room to disrespect anyone.

Part of the "intelligence" of the Jewish race is through their religion I will admit.

rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun

1. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
   "a program to combat racism"
   synonyms: racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism
   "Aborigines are the main victims of racism in Australia"
   • the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
     noun: racism
     "theories of racism"

 

[Etritonakin]

I thought you believed that God is all-powerful?

Again -it depends what you mean.

I do -except when he chooses to give power over to others.
As he has chosen not to make automatically-obedient robots without choice, individuality or true creativity -which would really mean that you would not be you -he has chosen to give power to others. Your mere existence gives you power to affect his future.
He could make you obey and be perfect, but for you to truly be you,YOU must be involved and eventually choose to be so.
However, he knows that allowing all to simply do as they will forever would lead to eternal misery -so he employs his power to teach the necessary lessons as quickly as possible -and actually with as little misery as possible. Even though history has often been horrible, it does not compare with what would be if he did not limit our time as humans and take an active role in leading us to the correct choices and realizations.

Back to God being responsible for all death.... From the flood to those put to death under the old judgments under the law and all who died by various plagues, etc..... All who have died to decrease the population, to remove sinners from Israel while it was prepared for the new covenant, etc., will benefit from the situation their deaths allowed to be created.

God is literally preparing people to have power -to be a perfect government under God and Christ beginning on earth and having no end of increase which will allow for all of the things we cannot have now -and all who have lived and died will live again under that government -and have the opportunity to live forever.

 

[robocop (actually)]

rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun

1. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
   "a program to combat racism"
   synonyms: racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia, chauvinism, bigotry, casteism
   "Aborigines are the main victims of racism in Australia"
   • the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
     noun: racism
     "theories of racism"

I have not expressed prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism. Please listen. Here is how I will defend this:

In my first book I explained that I want the past to be re-litigated. I normally don't share my book but I need to defend myself here. I think groups that have been oppressed by nothing but history should be not just treated fairly now but restored to fairness going forward. By that I mean they should have their status changed as though the past had been fair. I think we should pass laws so that they get back what they lost unfairly and have an equal hand going forward. These groups include race and other groups.

The only things I don't want re-litigated are birth, because we should never kill a person and let someone else have the child to make things fair, and heart, because we don't judge what caused a person to have a good or bad heart.

So even if I am by definition a racist, in respect and systematic discrimination I want the very opposite... for all races to be restored to having an equal hand. If I need to clarify this post please let me know...

 

[Naama]

I have not expressed prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism. Please listen. Here is how I will defend this:

In my first book I explained that I want the past to be re-litigated. I normally don't share my book but I need to defend myself here. I think groups that have been oppressed by nothing but history should be not just treated fairly now but restored to fairness going forward. By that I mean they should have their status changed as though the past had been fair I think we should pass laws so that they get back what they lost unfairly and have an equal hand going forward. These groups include race and other groups.

The only things I don't want re-litigated are birth, because we should never kill a person and let someone else have the child to make things fair, and heart, because we don't judge what caused a person to have a good or bad heart.

So even if I am by definition a racist, in respect and systematic discrimination I want the very opposite... for all races to be restored to having an equal hand. If I need to clarify this post please let me know...

Why aren't you following your own instructions in your signature?

EDIT: Ninja'd XD

 

[robocop (actually)]

Why aren't you following your own instructions in your signature?

EDIT: Ninja'd XD

Sorry I just noticed that now and fixed it. Please reload the screen and then I hope you will respond.

 

[Naama]

Again -it depends what you mean.

I do -except when he chooses to give power over to others.
As he has chosen not to make automatically-obedient robots without choice, individuality or true creativity -which would really mean that you would not be you -he has chosen to give power to others. Your mere existence gives you power to affect his future.
He could make you obey and be perfect, but for you to truly be you,YOU must be involved and eventually choose to be so.
However, he knows that allowing all to simply do as they will forever would lead to eternal misery -so he employs his power to teach the necessary lessons as quickly as possible -and actually with as little misery as possible. Even though history has often been horrible, it does not compare with what would be if he did not limit our time as humans and take an active role in leading us to the correct choices and realizations.

Back to God being responsible for all death.... From the flood to those put to death under the old judgments under the law and all who died by various plagues, etc..... All who have died to decrease the population, to remove sinners from Israel while it was prepared for the new covenant, etc., will benefit from the situation their deaths allowed to be created.

God is literally preparing people to have power -to be a perfect government under God and Christ beginning on earth and having no end of increase which will allow for all of the things we cannot have now -and all who have lived and died will live again under that government -and have the opportunity to live forever.

......If God is all powerful he could have found another way to do things couldn't he?

 

[Naama]

I have not expressed prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism. Please listen. Here is how I will defend this:

In my first book I explained that I want the past to be re-litigated. I normally don't share my book but I need to defend myself here. I think groups that have been oppressed by nothing but history should be not just treated fairly now but restored to fairness going forward. By that I mean they should have their status changed as though the past had been fair. I think we should pass laws so that they get back what they lost unfairly and have an equal hand going forward. These groups include race and other groups.

The only things I don't want re-litigated are birth, because we should never kill a person and let someone else have the child to make things fair, and heart, because we don't judge what caused a person to have a good or bad heart.

So even if I am by definition a racist, in respect and systematic discrimination I want the very opposite... for all races to be restored to having an equal hand. If I need to clarify this post please let me know...

I don't think that discrimination is justified and saying that peoples of certain "races" deserve more than others because of past wrongs is discrimination whether you believe it is right or not.

Also, no matter your intentions, you are claiming that one race is smarter than others for no rational reason, there is 0 science behind that.

Whats more scary to me is that you think this is justified, there are few things I am firm about, but equality is one of them.

 

[robocop (actually)]

I don't think that discrimination is justified and saying that peoples of certain "races" deserve more than others because of past wrongs is discrimination whether you believe it is right or not.

Also, no matter your intentions, you are claiming that one race is smarter than others for no rational reason, there is 0 science behind that.

Whats more scary to me is that you think this is justified, there are few things I am firm about, but equality is one of them.

I'm not expecting a date from you, and Raelians are already very unpopular and I'm just making it worse, but have you read "Guns, germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond? I will sum it up.

Basically Africans did not benefit in history as much as Europeans. The Europeans had steel and kept guns, and their dense population gave them immunity to germs so that even when the Africans wanted to integrate they would die more. I think we should pass laws to restore Africans to how they should have been because this has nothing to do with fairness. I feel the same about many historical events.

As for if races are smarter than each other, I will do some research.

 

[Trailblazer]

Oh boy. I honestly don't think I can explain it all correctly without messing it up.

But basically claiming God is in multiple parts, contradicting past scripture, and claiming to be the son of God are all big no nos.

Jesus never made ANY of those claims. Christianity misconstrued the Bible and came up with the doctrines of the Church.

You cannot blame Jesus for what the Christians did long after He walked the earth.

 

[robocop (actually)]

I don't think that discrimination is justified and saying that peoples of certain "races" deserve more than others because of past wrongs is discrimination whether you believe it is right or not.

Also, no matter your intentions, you are claiming that one race is smarter than others for no rational reason, there is 0 science behind that.

Whats more scary to me is that you think this is justified, there are few things I am firm about, but equality is one of them.

I did some research in Wikipedia: Race and intelligence - Wikipedia

"The connection between race and intelligence has been a subject of debate in both popular science and academic research since the inception of IQ testing in the early 20th century. While tests have broadly shown differences in average scores based on self-identified race or ethnicity, there is considerable debate as to whether and to what extent those differences reflect environmental factors as opposed to genetic ones, as well as to the definitions of what "race" and "intelligence" are, and whether they can be objectively defined at all. Currently, there is no non-circumstantial evidence that these differences in test scores have a genetic component, although some researchers believe that the existing circumstantial evidence makes it at least plausible that hard evidence for a genetic component will eventually be found.

The first test showing differences in IQ test results between different population groups in the US was the tests of United States Army recruits in World War I. In the 1920s groups of eugenics lobbyists argued that this demonstrated that African-Americans and certain immigrant groups were of inferior intellect to Anglo-Saxon whites due to innate biological differences, using this as an argument for policies of racial segregation. Soon, other studies appeared, contesting these conclusions and arguing instead that the Army tests had not adequately controlled for the environmental factors such as socio-economic and educational inequality between African-Americans and Whites.

The debate reemerged again in 1969, when Arthur Jensen championed the view that for genetic reasons Africans were less intelligent than whites and that compensatory education for African-American children was therefore doomed to be ineffective. In 1994, the book The Bell Curve argued that social inequality in the United States could largely be explained as a result of IQ differences between races and individuals rather than being their cause, and rekindled the public and scholarly debate with renewed force. During the debates following the book's publication, the American Anthropological Association and the American Psychological Association (APA) published official statements regarding the issue, both highly skeptical of some of the book's claims, although the APA report called for more empirical research on the issue."

The website says the jury is still out on whether IQ is genetic. They haven't ruled it out. But yes you are correct about no non-circumstantial evidence. I got this information from a religion, so go figure. A very unpopular one too. Also, for whatever reason they think Blacks are smarter than Whites.

Still though, based on my post #152 I think people should get back what they lost unfairly, except with who has had children and over hearts. I am not basing this on racist conjectures but on science from "Guns, germs and steel." Jared Diamond probably thinks that races are equal but Europeans had a scientific advantage based on guns, germs and steel.

 

[Naama]

Jesus never made ANY of those claims. Christianity misconstrued the Bible and came up with the doctrines of the Church.

You cannot blame Jesus for what the Christians did long after He walked the earth.

How do you know that he wasn't just fabricated?