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Is such a God loveable?

Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Do you believe that God would burn someone in hell forever for simply not believing in him? I'm amazed at how many Christians and Muslims actually believe that.

It is such a ridiculous and depressing belief, I can't fathom why anyone would love a God who would do that. Fearing such a God would make sense, but loving such a God seems sick to me.

Would you mind telling me what is so horrible about not believing in an invisible entity, that it merits eternal agony?

Eternal suffering for not believing in someone who is invisible and hides himself? Are you kidding? Such a belief is so strangely prevalent. Why?

Please explain what is loveable about such a God.
 
osgart

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Well if someone is eternally evil, they should face everlasting punishment, at least til they repented.

But the assumption is that they who reject god, are eternally wicked, with no ability or ever wish to repent.

It escapes me that belief in God is needed whatsoever. That's assuming to even know God. And I find absolutely no presence of God anywhere, my whole life.

That's what's maddening about Christian ultimatums. I gotta know, trust, and believe and have faith in a deity I have no ability to experience in order to get to heaven. I gotta know that Noah , and Jonah are historical factual stories. And I have to rely on a book as my only source of evidence.

So I gotta pull me brains out, and forsake my mind and experience, and imbibe the faith to get to heaven.

And I'm assumed by Christians that I know it's all true and it's obvious, and I'm somehow sinfully suppressing this knowledge in total denial.

How far does the delusion go. All the way to Beulah land. They actually sincerely believe that reality is this way, and all souls be judged this way.

So they talk to me this way, and judge me this way. And so does there God.

So they draw their Final Battle lines with me, and call it loving their enemies. When I can see how they hate non believers. Especially those who have heard the message.

It's total insanity! Where they believe they are separate from the world. But they are as mean, and nasty and bitter spiteful as I've ever seen people. They get together and mock so called sinners for being filthy wretches, when they are supposed to be praying for us according to their book.
 
Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
osgart said:
Well if someone is eternally evil, they should face everlasting punishment, at least til they repented.

But the assumption is that they who reject god, are eternally wicked, with no ability or ever wish to repent.

It escapes me that belief in God is needed whatsoever. That's assuming to even know God. And I find absolutely no presence of God anywhere, my whole life.

That's what's maddening about Christian ultimatums. I gotta know, trust, and believe and have faith in a deity I have no ability to experience in order to get to heaven. I gotta know that Noah , and Jonah are historical factual stories. And I have to rely on a book as my only source of evidence.

So I gotta pull me brains out, and forsake my mind and experience, and imbibe the faith to get to heaven.

And I'm assumed by Christians that I know it's all true and it's obvious, and I'm somehow sinfully suppressing this knowledge in total denial.

How far does the delusion go. All the way to Beulah land. They actually sincerely believe that reality is this way, and all souls be judged this way.

So they talk to me this way, and judge me this way. And so does there God.

So they draw their Final Battle lines with me, and call it loving their enemies. When I can see how they hate non believers. Especially those who have heard the message.

It's total insanity! Where they believe they are separate from the world. But they are as mean, and nasty and bitter spiteful as I've ever seen people. They get together and mock so called sinners for being filthy wretches, when they are supposed to be praying for us according to their book.
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Great post! :)
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
PopeADope said:
Do you believe that God would burn someone in hell forever for simply not believing in him? I'm amazed at how many Christians and Muslims actually believe that.

It is such a ridiculous and depressing belief, I can't fathom why anyone would love a God who would do that. Fearing such a God would make sense, but loving such a God seems sick to me.

Would you mind telling me what is so horrible about not believing in an invisible entity, that it merits eternal agony?

Eternal suffering for not believing in someone who is invisible and hides himself? Are you kidding? Such a belief is so strangely prevalent. Why?

Please explain what is loveable about such a God.
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God has created humankind, He loves all humanity and desires to bless every human for eternity. Eternal suffering does not result because someone does not believe in an invisible Entity/God. It happens because one chooses to reject the truth and believe the lies of satan or their own sinful desires.
 
Spiderman

Spiderman

Veteran Member
InChrist said:
God has created humankind, He loves all humanity and desires to bless every human for eternity. Eternal suffering does not result because someone does not believe in an invisible Entity/God. It happens because one chooses to reject the truth and believe the lies of satan or their own sinful desires.
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So an unbeliever who doesn't know any better won't be tortured forever?
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
PopeADope said:
So an unbeliever who doesn't know any better won't be tortured forever?
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The scriptures do not use the word torture because God does not torture anyone. The biblical word is torment and I believe it will be self-torment that an unbeliever experiences from rejecting God's love and truth. Certainly someone who has limited knowledge or understanding will not face the suffering that someone faces who outright and willfully rejects God's truth. I trust that God knows the the mind and motive of each person and His judgement is perfectly fair and just.
 
osgart

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
InChrist said:
The scriptures do not use the word torture because God does not torture anyone. The biblical word is torment and I believe it will be self-torment that an unbeliever experiences from rejecting God's love and truth. Certainly someone who has limited knowledge or understanding will not face the suffering that someone faces who outright and willfully rejects God's truth. I trust that God knows the the mind and motive of each person and His judgement is perfectly fair and just.
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And what is that truth?
 
Aldrnari

Aldrnari

Active Member
InChrist said:
The scriptures do not use the word torture because God does not torture anyone. The biblical word is torment and I believe it will be self-torment that an unbeliever experiences from rejecting God's love and truth. Certainly someone who has limited knowledge or understanding will not face the suffering that someone faces who outright and willfully rejects God's truth. I trust that God knows the the mind and motive of each person and His judgement is perfectly fair and just.
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OK then... What is the distinction between tormenting someone, and torturing them?
 
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