HonestJoe
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But isn’t all the talk about invasive government surveillance a political strategy of scaring people too?
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The UK surveillance state. Why?
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Notanumber
A Free Man
It has devised and is following a dangerous ideology.
Back then, the USA had to build a navy to deal with the Islamic (not Christian) problem. More recently, American cargo ships are having to be armed and escorted by that same navy.
Somali pirate kings under probe for helping ISIS and al-Shabaab - CNN
BTW, I like Muslims that have rejected the Islamic ideology.
No it hasn't, you have either been brainwashed by xenophobics or are naturally xenophobic. The vast majority of Muslims are not terrorist's.
The usa already had a navy so stop telling porky pies. In fact the usa started to built their navy because of the British problem pre revolution.
And Somali pirates all of Islam. Oh thank you so much for the enlightenment. Talking of America seing as how you are determined ro move the goalposts, it was a christian thast murdered children at sandy hook, and a christian who unarmed civilians at Aurora. Never mind, I'll just copy and paste Wikipedia's entry on christian terrorism in America
Contemporary American Christian terrorism can be motivated by a violent desire to implement a Reconstructionist or Dominionist ideology.[103] Dominion Theology insists that Christians are called by God to (re)build society on Christian values to subjugate the earth and establish dominion over all things, as a prerequisite for the second coming of Christ.[104] Political violence motivated by dominion theology is a violent extension of the desire to impose a select version of Christianity on other Christians, as well as on non-Christians.
At least 11 people have been killed in attacks on abortion clinics in the United States since 1993. After 1981, members of groups such as the Army of Godbegan attacking abortion clinics and doctors across the United States.[105][106][107] A number of terrorist attacks were attributed by Bruce Hoffman to individuals and groups with ties to the Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements, including the Lambs of Christ.[108] A group called Concerned Christians was deported from Israel on suspicion of planning to attack holy sites in Jerusalem at the end of 1999; they believed that their deaths would "lead them to heaven".[109][110]
Eric Robert Rudolph carried out the Centennial Olympic Park bombing in 1996, as well as subsequent attacks on an abortion clinic and a lesbian nightclub. Michael Barkun, a professor at Syracuse University, considers Rudolph to likely fit the definition of a Christian terrorist. James A. Aho, a professor at Idaho State University, argues that religious considerations inspired Rudolph only in part.[111]
Terrorism scholar Aref M. Al-Khattar has listed The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord (CSA), Defensive Action, the Montana Freemen, and some "Christian militia" as groups that "can be placed under the category of far-right-wing terrorism" that "has a religious (Christian) component".[112]
In 1996 three men—Charles Barbee, Robert Berry and Jay Merelle—were charged with two bank robberies and bombings at the banks, a Spokanenewspaper, and a Planned Parenthood office in Washington State. The men were anti-Semitic Christian Identity theorists who believed that God wanted them to carry out violent attacks and that such attacks would hasten the ascendancy of the Aryan race.[113]
1n 1993 Dr. David Gunn was shot and killed by an opponent of abortion during a protest outside his clinic in Pensacola, Fla. His death was the first known killing of an abortion provider in the United States. The gunman, Michael F. Griffin, shot Dr. Gunn three times in the back as he approached the rear entrance of the clinic, and Mr. Griffin turned himself over to the police just moments later. Mr. Griffin was convicted of the murder in March 1994 and was sentenced to life in prison.
Anti-abortion violence returned to Pensacola one year after the death of Dr. Gunn when Paul J. Hill, a well-known anti-abortion protester, shot and killed Dr. John Britton and a clinic volunteer, James Barrett, outside a women’s health center in July 1994. Mr. Barrett’s wife, June, was also wounded in the shooting. Mr. Hill, a former minister, was well known for advocating violence against abortion doctors, and he had praised the killing of Dr. Gunn. He was arrested shortly after the shooting as he tried to flee the scene. He was convicted in December 1994 of first-degree murder and was sentenced to death. In the interview before his execution in 2003, Mr. Hill said that the killing of Dr. Gunn in 1993 had inspired him to kill Dr. Britton. ”I believe in the short and long term, more and more people will act on the principles for which I stand,” he said. ”I’m willing and I feel very honored that they are most likely going to kill me for what I did.”
Dr. George Tiller, one of the few doctors in the United States who provided abortions late in pregnancy, was a frequent target of anti-abortion violence and was killed in 2009 by Scott Roeder as he stood in the foyer of his church. A witness who was serving as an usher alongside Dr. Tiller at the church that day told the court that Mr. Roeder entered the foyer, put a gun to the doctor’s head and pulled the trigger. At trial, Mr. Roeder admitted to killing Dr. Tiller and said he did it to protect unborn babies. He was convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to life in prison. At his sentencing, he told the court that God’s judgment would ”sweep over this land like a prairie wind.” Dr. Tiller was shot once before, in 1993, by Shelley Shannon, an anti-abortion activist who compared abortion providers to Hitler and said she believed that “justifiable force” was necessary to stop abortions. Ms. Shannon was sentenced to 10 years in prison for the shooting of Dr. Tiller and later confessed to vandalizing and burning a string of abortion clinics in California, Nevada and Oregon.
James Kopp was convicted of the murder of Dr. Barnett Slepian, an obstetrician who provided abortion services in the Buffalo area, and has been named a suspect in the shooting of several abortion providers in Canada. Mr. Kopp hid in the woods behind Dr. Slepian’s home in October 1998 and shot him through the window with a high-powered rifle, killing him as he stood in his kitchen with his family. Dr. Slepian had just returned from a memorial service for his father when he was killed. Mr. Kopp spent several years on the run in Mexico, Ireland and France before he was captured and extradited to the Unites States. He was convicted of a state charge of second-degree murder in 2003 and sentenced to 25 years in jail. He was convicted in 2007 on a separate federal charge and sentenced to life in prison. The authorities in Canada also suspect Mr. Kopp in the nonlethal attacks on several abortion providers there who were shot through the windows of their homes. He was charged with the 1995 attempted murder of Dr. Hugh Short, an abortion provider in Ontario, although the charges were dropped after his conviction in New York. The police in Canada also named him a suspect in the 1997 shooting of Dr. Jack Fainman in Winnipeg and the 1994 shooting of Dr. Garson Romalis in Vancouver, which was the first attack on an abortion provider in Canada.
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In 2015, Robert Doggart, a 63 year old mechanical engineer, was indicted for solicitation to commit a civil rights violation by intending to damage or destroy religious property after communicating that he intended to amass weapons to attack a Muslim enclave in Delaware County, New York.[114] Doggart, a member of several private militia groups, communicated to an FBI source in a phone call that he had an M4 carbine with "500 rounds of ammunition" that he intended to take to the Delaware County enclave, along with a handgun, molotov cocktailsand a machete. The FBI source recorded him saying "if it gets down to the machete, we will cut them to shreds".[115] Doggart had previously travelled to a site in Dover, Tennessee described in chain emails as a "jihadist training camp", and found that the claims were wrong. Doggart pleaded guilty in an April plea bargain stating he had "willfully and knowingly sent a message in interstate commerce containing a true threat" to injure someone. The plea bargain was struck down by a judge because it did not contain enough facts to constitute a true threat.[116][117] Doggart stood as an independent candidate in Tennessee's 4th congressional district, losing with 6.4% of the vote.[118] None of the charges against him are terrorism related.[119][120][121][122]
The November 2015 Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting, in which three were killed and nine injured, was described as "a form of terrorism" by Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper.[123] The gunman, Robert Lewis Dear, was described as a "delusional" man[124] who had written on a cannabis internet forum that "sinners" would "burn in hell" during the end times, and had also written about smoking marijuana and propositioned women for sex.[125][126] He had praised the Army of God, saying that attacks on abortion clinics are "God's work".[127] Dear's ex-wife said he had put glue on a lock of a Planned Parenthood clinic, and in court documents for their divorce she said "He claims to be a Christian and is extremely evangelistic, but does not follow the Bible in his actions. He says that as long as he believes he will be saved, he can do whatever he pleases. He is obsessed with the world coming to an end." Authorities said that he spoke of “no more baby parts” in a rambling interview after his arrest
In 2015, Robert Doggart, a 63 year old mechanical engineer, was indicted for solicitation to commit a civil rights violation by intending to damage or destroy religious property after communicating that he intended to amass weapons to attack a Muslim enclave in Delaware County, New York.[114] Doggart, a member of several private militia groups, communicated to an FBI source in a phone call that he had an M4 carbine with "500 rounds of ammunition" that he intended to take to the Delaware County enclave, along with a handgun, molotov cocktailsand a machete. The FBI source recorded him saying "if it gets down to the machete, we will cut them to shreds".[115] Doggart had previously travelled to a site in Dover, Tennessee described in chain emails as a "jihadist training camp", and found that the claims were wrong. Doggart pleaded guilty in an April plea bargain stating he had "willfully and knowingly sent a message in interstate commerce containing a true threat" to injure someone. The plea bargain was struck down by a judge because it did not contain enough facts to constitute a true threat.[116][117] Doggart stood as an independent candidate in Tennessee's 4th congressional district, losing with 6.4% of the vote.[118] None of the charges against him are terrorism related.[119][120][121][122]
The November 2015 Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting, in which three were killed and nine injured, was described as "a form of terrorism" by Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper.[123] The gunman, Robert Lewis Dear, was described as a "delusional" man[124] who had written on a cannabis internet forum that "sinners" would "burn in hell" during the end times, and had also written about smoking marijuana and propositioned women for sex.[125][126] He had praised the Army of God, saying that attacks on abortion clinics are "God's work".[127] Dear's ex-wife said he had put glue on a lock of a Planned Parenthood clinic, and in court documents for their divorce she said "He claims to be a Christian and is extremely evangelistic, but does not follow the Bible in his actions. He says that as long as he believes he will be saved, he can do whatever he pleases. He is obsessed with the world coming to an end." Authorities said that he spoke of “no more baby parts” in a rambling interview after his arrest
So why condemn them as terrorists?
Notanumber
A Free Man
I like to be generous, but it is difficult to believe that a Muslim that has rejected the Islamic ideology can they still claim to be a Muslim, in reality he would be an apostate.
This is what Political Correctness achieves - Sweden So Violent, Somali Considers Moving Back To Homeland
The Swedish town of Molnal which was destroyed by migration | Daily Mail Online
If you need more information, just enter ‘somali gangs in sweden’ in a search engine.
And was isis around in the 18th century?
I don't give s fig about small time gangs in Sweden hyped up by islamic hate merchants.
Why have you not responded to christian terrorism in America, or defended your bogus claim about the American navy, even after all YOU raised the subject of America. Just your usual tactic of ignoring the inconvenient facts and moving the goalposts.
Ok Somalia is in Africa. How about the good christian LRA and the good christian anti balaka want to talk about why you don't condemn all Christianity because if a few Christian terrorists?
Notanumber
A Free Man
Do these Christians that you keep going on about follow a book that tells them to kill non-believers?
Couple guilty of plotting terror attack
Apparently so, have you never read the OT?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
No it doesn't....... that misquote totally changed the point!
By all means correct my misconception and explain the truly intended point.
Actually, judging by your tone you do seem to be rather passionate about it. I find it strange, but if the British people don't feel violated by their state's intrusions then it's really no concern of mine.
Oh no....... I'll be watching for any of your support for increased safety and security apps in your land, that's my point. I feel a prophesy coming on.............. ah yes......
I wait with bated breath.
Notanumber
A Free Man
Was that not superseded by the NT?
No, or perhaps you are dictating that Christianity ditch 85% of the Bible that teaches about GOD.
Notanumber
A Free Man
That would be a very good idea.
Btw this thread is entitled
The UK surveillance state. Why?
Not, Another Notanumbers Islam basing hate rant threads
Tell a Christian that the bible disagrees with your islamophobia
It's not the government or surveillance agencies that are generating fear of Big Brother. The government would prefer no-one know about the surveillance, but, as secrecy is impossible, it prefers to portray the surveillance as a crime and terrorism deterrent; a public service.But isn’t all the talk about invasive government surveillance a political strategy of scaring people too?
What the government does condone are the scary rumors of immigrants, liberals, Muslims, transexuals, &c. undermining traditional American values. If you can generate fear of The Other, the people will submit to all sorts of 'preventive' measures.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. (Luke 19:27)
Deuteronomy 13:
Apparently not, as the Holy Bible still contains it, and its moral precepts are still quoted extensively.
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Jesus declared that he did not come to do away with the prophets, and that absolutely nothing, not one "tittle," not one letter or word of the law will by "any means disappear," not until "Heaven and Earth have passed."
Notanumber
A Free Man
There is one thing that we should thank religion for I suppose and that is if we did not have it the world would not be able support the populations. Religion is best form of indiscriminate culling known to man.