The Second Coming of Christ

[Fool]

If you are speaking of Return of Christ based on Scriptures, He has certain mission and goals to fulfil at the time of return.
For instance, He would make all things new:

this must occur before the second death. the second death is the physical death.

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” Revelation 21:5

same idea from daniel

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

or as Jesus the character referred to them as the dead that bury the dead.

He would open the Seal of the Book of God, so everyone may understand it:

self is like a book that must be open.

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Then one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals." Revelation 5:5

Any many other things as described in the Bible.

the seven seals are located upon the spine/back of the scroll/book. they are called chakras.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

this must occur before the second death. the second death is the physical death.

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

same idea from daniel

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

or as Jesus the character referred to them as the dead that bury the dead.

self is like a book that must be open.

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.



the seven seals are located upon the spine/back of the scroll/book. they are called chakras.

Spiritual Life and Death is intended. When Jesus came, He gave a new Spiritual Life to the spiritually dead ones of His time.
After Christ, the first death is the Spiritual Death of Christianity. Then Muhammad appeared, and revived the Spiritually Dead again. This was the Spiritual Life after Christ. When 1000 years past, people of Islam spiritually died. This was the second death. After this the Bab and Bahaullah revived the dead again. This was the Day of Resurrection. It also matches with the 2300 days prophecy of Daniel 8. When you count from the year that the Temple was built till Revelation of the Bab, there are precisely 2300 years, and also there are precisely 1000 years between Revelation of Islam and Manifestation of the Bab.

 

[Milton Platt]

Is the 2nd coming of Christ, the realization of the Spirit of God? Because I AM that i am omnipresent as the Self in selves? the knowing of self?


1 Corinthians 3:16
Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?

Ephesians 2:22
And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

He's failed to show up so many times by now, I think even some Christians are getting tired of the charade.

 

[Fool]

He's failed to show up so many times by now, I think even some Christians are getting tired of the charade.

i can understand this. if you see it as separate from self then you look elsewhere. But Jesus said, the kingdom comes from within.

Why then would you see it otherwise from self? Should one know all the world and be clueless of self?

Romans 8:9
But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Jeremiah 31:34
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


for those who are dead, asleep, unguarded, unawares...........

Matthew 24
42 Watch therefore: for you know not what hour your Lord does come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be you also ready: for in such an hour as you think not the Son of man comes. 45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he comes shall find so doing.

Mark 13:33
Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. 34. For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. 35. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

 

[Fool]

Spiritual Life and Death is intended. When Jesus came, He gave a new Spiritual Life to the spiritually dead ones of His time.
After Christ, the first death is the Spiritual Death of Christianity. Then Muhammad appeared, and revived the Spiritually Dead again. This was the Spiritual Life after Christ. When 1000 years past, people of Islam spiritually died. This was the second death. After this the Bab and Bahaullah revived the dead again. This was the Day of Resurrection. It also matches with the 2300 days prophecy of Daniel 8. When you count from the year that the Temple was built till Revelation of the Bab, there are precisely 2300 years, and also there are precisely 1000 years between Revelation of Islam and Manifestation of the Bab.

both daniel's apocalypse and revelation were imminent. God is omnipresent and christ is inherent.

Allahu Akabar NOW

 

[InvestigateTruth]

both daniel's apocalypse and revelation were imminent. God is omnipresent and christ is inherent.

Allahu Akabar NOW

It is now Allahu Abha

God is the most Glorious.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

both daniel's apocalypse and revelation were imminent. God is omnipresent and christ is inherent.

Allahu Akabar NOW

It is now Allahu Abha

God is the most Glorious.

 

[Milton Platt]

i can understand this. if you see it as separate from self then you look elsewhere. But Jesus said, the kingdom comes from within.

Why then would you see it otherwise from self? Should one know all the world and be clueless of self?

Romans 8:9
But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Jeremiah 31:34
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


for those who are dead, asleep, unguarded, unawares...........

Matthew 24
42 Watch therefore: for you know not what hour your Lord does come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be you also ready: for in such an hour as you think not the Son of man comes. 45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he comes shall find so doing.

Mark 13:33
Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. 34. For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. 35. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

All I know is there are about 46 different past dates listed in Wikipedia where he was supposed to return and there are about 6 or so future dates pending. You might want to have a word with your fellow Christians rather than post a string of Bible verses and expect and atheist to take note of them.

 

[DavidFirth]

I'm showing my ignorance here but doesn't the 2nd coming of JC coincide with the end of the world?

Because there have been so many previous predictions that have failed to come true...
List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events - Wikipedia

They seem to be coming thick and fast at the moment; Pat Robertson, Harold Camping included.

His quotes came from the Bible, not either one of those guys.

 

[Fool]

All I know is there are about 46 different past dates listed in Wikipedia where he was supposed to return and there are about 6 or so future dates pending. You might want to have a word with your fellow Christians rather than post a string of Bible verses and expect and atheist to take note of them.

ah ok, i'm of the notion that christs are like buddhas. they are constantly being realized.

 

[Milton Platt]

ah ok, i'm of the notion that christs are like buddhas. they are constantly being realized.

Wasn't cognizant of where you were coming from. Not relevant to you, then. I will allow the post to stand as it is relevant to Christians on the board.

 

[Fool]

Wasn't cognizant of where you were coming from. Not relevant to you, then. I will allow the post to stand as it is relevant to Christians on the board.

self-realization is an atheist thing too no?

maslow's hierarchy?

 

[Milton Platt]

self-realization is an atheist thing too no?

maslow's hierarchy?

Had to look up the term, but yeah, I think it fits most if not all atheists and agnostics. I certainly feel I'm responsible for my own well being.

 

[Fool]

Had to look up the term, but yeah, I think it fits most if not all atheists and agnostics. I certainly feel I'm responsible for my own well being.

best wishes on your indefinite journey

Isaiah 59:17
He put on righteousness as his breastplate, and the helmet of salvation on his head; he put on the garments of vengeance and wrapped himself in zeal as in a cloak.

 

[siti]

self-realization is an atheist thing too no?

Indeed - and so if we re-interpret the "Christ-mind" as a self-realization thing - or perhaps as a personal experience of the greater reality, then Christ's return is probably happening every day in somebody's life even though they don't recognize it as such. When Jesus said (for example) "I and the Father are one" (assuming there really was a Jesus and he really said that - although it really doesn't matter much if it was some hack ghost-gospel-writer reporting the garbled memory of someone else's story) he was reporting a mystical experience in which he (i.e. his brain) associated itself with a much greater reality. But our brains do that routinely anyway when they identify as the "I" which clearly incorporates a much larger reality than the brain (or part of the brain) that is actually processing the experiential data. I know the precise time, date and year of Christ's second coming but definitely not in the way that either Harold Camping or Richard Dawkins would understand it - it is always precisely now!

 

[Milton Platt]

Indeed - and so if we re-interpret the "Christ-mind" as a self-realization thing - or perhaps as a personal experience of the greater reality, then Christ's return is probably happening every day in somebody's life even though they don't recognize it as such. When Jesus said (for example) "I and the Father are one" (assuming there really was a Jesus and he really said that - although it really doesn't matter much if it was some hack ghost-gospel-writer reporting the garbled memory of someone else's story) he was reporting a mystical experience in which he (i.e. his brain) associated itself with a much greater reality. But our brains do that routinely anyway when they identify as the "I" which clearly incorporates a much larger reality than the brain (or part of the brain) that is actually processing the experiential data. I know the precise time, date and year of Christ's second coming but definitely not in the way that either Harold Camping or Richard Dawkins would understand it - it is always precisely now!

Explain how you can know what an anonymous person who wrote something over 2,000 years ago was thinking and what the nature of his life experience was.

 

[Fool]

Explain how you can know what an anonymous person who wrote something over 2,000 years ago was thinking and what the nature of his life experience was.

if one doesn't become fixated upon the messenger, the message gets delivered.

he pointed at other as self and said I am that i am. what you do unto the least of these, you do unto me.


friendship is two bodies being of one mind. there is no greater love in all the world.


1 Corinthians 2:16
for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

to know the Lord as self, knowing thyself as the Light of the world. insight is a direct experience.

Hebrews 8:11
No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.

because again I AM that i am

 

[Milton Platt]

if one doesn't become fixated upon the messenger, the message gets delivered.

he pointed at other as self and said I am that i am. what you do unto the least of these, you do unto me.


friendship is two bodies being of one mind. there is no greater love in all the world.


1 Corinthians 2:16
for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

to know the Lord as self, knowing thyself as the Light of the world. insight is a direct experience.

Hebrews 8:11
No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.

because again I AM that i am

I guess you can't answer my question, then?

 

[Fool]

I guess you can't answer my question, then?

the nature of anyone's life experience ..................to know love.

 

[siti]

Explain how you can know what an anonymous person who wrote something over 2,000 years ago was thinking and what the nature of his life experience was.

Divine inspiration of course! But I did say it was re-interpretation of the story - of course I haven't a f****ng clue what the writer of the story really meant - I am stating how someone in the 21st century might interpret it intelligently if they wanted to. Or, alternatively, you can ignore the fact that humans have had a propensity for 'spiritual experiences' - probably for longer than we have been human and just poo-poo the whole lot. Perfectly rational - not very satisfying in my ever so humble opinion. Everything we know about reality is a story anyway - because it comes from a brain that has made up a story about this "I" that is not itself. "I" don't see why someone could not have an "I" that happens to be much, much bigger than the arbitrary and conventional "I". Do you?