Unveiled Artist
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Nothing needs to be changed but we need some new laws and guidance for this age.
Why do we need new laws? The laws are just fine how they are.
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Nothing needs to be changed but we need some new laws and guidance for this age.
You posted this advice earlier, you do not like me smiling at you. Note no smile, no hug
Regards Tony
I am talking about the elephant as a whole and you are talking about the distinct parts that make up an elephant. In reality we need to consider both the parts and the whole elephant. That is the unity and diversity. We can't properly consider one without the other.
Did you consider the Buddhist part of the link I sent?
Blind men and an elephant - Wikipedia
Who said anything about asking or wanting others to submit to be a Baha'i, that is clearly their choice and their choice only with their life.
How do I embrace religion, I embrace the knowledge it is from the One Source. I love all of Gods Religions, Buddha inclusive
If you read all my posts at your timing without sarcasm and more reflective and learning, you will know this is not the case.
You cannot have peace without dialogue.
For me, (and I'm guessing for you too) this dialogue isn't really personal, it's about attempting to have better communication. An individual or individuals want to have communication in one direction only. So it's very similar to asking a student to look at you when you're having a discussion. All communication experts know that eye contact actually helps with oral communication.
Surely this planet would be better off if we could all communicate better.
I think you, Adrian, and others here, are excellent communicators. and other than occasionally getting a single messed up (using two distinctive meanings) there is rarely an issue.
But taking it personal only makes it worse. When I taught, there were kids that you really couldn't help much, because pointing out even the most obvious of errors would sent them off into a 20 minute hissy fit about you being overly critical. Perhaps its time to throw in the towel here, God knows we've tried long enough.
It's the greatest Being.Well done,nature is most likely in this world, the greatest teacher.
Regards Tony
But why would anyone want to resurrect a theocracy that is 3 1/2 thousand years old?
And we have lots of guidance, from all over. How can you say we need guidance when we already have it? It's like saying, 'I'm hungry' just after you eat.
There are literally tons of great spiritual teachers alive on this planet today who offer wonderful guidance on how to behave, what to do to prevent war, individual strategies for maintaining raw emotions. It's not that we need guidance, it's that we need to listen to the guidance we get.
Some schools, at least in this regard with the personal touch, would be quite similar. Many folks have what are called kulagurus, or family gurus. The personal touch makes it so much better. But the Baha'i' have that too, with their UHJ. They can write a letter off, and get a personal response, as far as I know anyway.You already know that I don't have a clue about Hindu.
@chinu is a Sikh who has posted some beautiful and thought provoking posts on RF. (I met him in London a few years back). Chinu has a guru who he visits .............
How different is Hindu from the Sikh way?
You never answered why you think Im asing you to compromise your belief?
I cant remedy the miscommunication if you dont tell me the problem (method towards peace).
If you read all my posts at your timing without sarcasm and more reflective and learning, you will know this is not the case.
You cannot have peace without dialogue.
Its more, I embrace religion viewed by bahaullah. If you embraced individual religions, you wouldnt be bothered by one religion having No god and one that does.
It's the greatest Being.
There is no problem Carlita. I accept you have a Faith that is not motivated by God.
Is the problem that you want me to see your Faith through your eyes with no God in the mix?
I know many that feel all good comes from their own selves and appreciate the good that comes from them. My mind will not take God out of the process.
Thus you will read a writing see the beauty and feel that beauty light your soul and be happy in that beauty.
Having fun is not sarcasm, but maybe you need to spend some time in Australia, maybe all our Humor can be seen as you do, we might be brought up on sarcasm? My wife laughted, I run a few things by her first.
Note - No Aussy humor with Carlita, No Smile, No Hugs......woops that was more...Silence!
Wow, so you ended a conversation?Ha ha......Silence...Hooray I did it.
Regards Tony
And yet you still haven't answered the question. What do you call it when someone persists in the mistaken belief that they are the messiah?Again, no one is duckng anything.
Hmmm! (stroking the chin) that black/white all or nothing thinking...Thats not very logical if you thik about. Its like saying we should reject Christ because other peope round that time made false Messianic claims.
...(easing back into the doctor's armchair)...persecution complex perhaps...I eagerly await your arguments proving that Baha'u'llah is 'deluded.'
And yet you still haven't answered the question. What do you call it when someone persists in the mistaken belief that they are the messiah?
Hmmm! (stroking the chin) that black/white all or nothing thinking...
...(easing back into the doctor's armchair)...persecution complex perhaps...
Diagnosis is way beyond my abilities and Geschwind syndrome is controversial - there is disagreement about whether it really is a neuropsychiatric disorder at all and whether the symptoms that it comprises are a TLE thing or more general...etc. But my point is not to immediately categorize anyone who shows the propensity to compulsive writing, intense religious experiences and babbling on in conversations as 'psychotic' or 'deluded' (a fair few RF members and myself very much included could easily fall into that category with those symptoms) but since psychiatric practice does acknowledge that these behaviors may be symptomatic of mental health issues, surely any meaningful search for truth must acknowledge the possibility that people given to the most extreme manifestations of such traits might indeed have been experiencing neuropsychiatric effects. In my opinion, that does not mean that either their experiences or their teachings are not 'true'. But it certainly would tell us something profound about "God" - whether there actually is one or not! That's why I find this particular subject fascinating - if only we could overcome the (at least partly religious) 'demonization' of mental 'illness' and accept some of these things as part of what it is (meant to be?) to be human. After all, I think in the UK, 1 in 4 people will experience mental health issues serious enough to seek professional medical help (and I'm guessing there are a fair few who suffer in silence without ever going to the doctor).Geschwind syndrome? Interesting. I learned something new about myself. I wonder how that is diagnosed, though. My old therapist said Id be perfect for Frued to speak with...having mental health issues and aware of why I have them and do at the same time.
Diagnosis is way beyond my abilities and Geschwind syndrome is controversial - there is disagreement about whether it really is a neuropsychiatric disorder at all and whether the symptoms that it comprises are a TLE thing or more general...etc. But my point is not to immediately categorize anyone who shows the propensity to compulsive writing, intense religious experiences and babbling on in conversations as 'psychotic' or 'deluded' (a fair few RF members and myself very much included could easily fall into that category with those symptoms) but since psychiatric practice does acknowledge that these behaviors may be symptomatic of mental health issues, surely any meaningful search for truth must acknowledge the possibility that people given to the most extreme manifestations of such traits might indeed have been experiencing neuropsychiatric effects. In my opinion, that does not mean that either their experiences or their teachings are not 'true'. But it certainly would tell us something profound about "God" - not that this has not been acknowledged in past revelations...e.g. (1 Corinthians 1:27; 2 Corinthians 11:23 (NIV))