Lucifer. is there a Devil?

[DavidFirth]

You are adding things to Tanakh that aren't there.

Satan is mentioned in Genesis, yet it does not say Satan was in the garden with Chav'vah, or that he tricked Chav'vah.

If it was Satan then why didn't they use the name Satan?

Instead it says a serpent, and the serpent becomes FOREVER a serpent on the ground tasting the air.

And by the way - it says the serpent is from among the beasts of the field that God created. (A beast created on Earth)

Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Obviously the serpent is NOT Satan.

That jump was made by later people.

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Opinion noted. You people who somehow think you know Christianity better than Christ and Christians never cease to amaze me with your foolish thoughts.

 

[Ingledsva]

You've only shown me ignorance. Satan tempted Eve, there are references in the Bible that confirm it and it's common knowledge among Christians.

I don't read the Tanakh. If it differs from the Bible it is because the Jews changed it after the Romans sacked them in AD 70. Christians like me accept the Bible as the inerrant word of God. Those filled with the Spirit know Him. Those who deny Christ deny Him.

You are foolish to think you can discern spiritual things while denying Christ. You've been deceived.

That's how I see it, it's pretty obvious to me.

LOL! No, I'm not showing ignorance, but you are when you refuse to research another religion's text,- and instead go with a different, later religion's misunderstanding, and twisting of those texts.

It says serpent/nâchâsh, not Satan, even though the writers of Genesis knew the name Satan, and used it elsewhere.

It says the serpent was punished by being a serpent on the ground tasting the air FOR THE REST OF IT'S LIFE.

KJV - Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

So, no Satan, and that is from the King James Bible. Also note that this serpent is part of the created beasts, and NOT supernatural.


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[Father]

Opinion noted. You people who somehow think you know Christianity better than Christ and Christians never cease to amaze me with your foolish thoughts.

"you people" you mean the jews? who wrote the book itself. jesus didn't write the bible. he didn't even write the Gospels. the Gospels were not even written by his followers. they were written over 100 years after his death by second-hand witnesses talking about first-hand witnesses. and even then there are many Gospels not in the new testament as the early Pope and church decided what went in. they of course still have those other Gospels they keep them in the Heretical Library and have them reviewed and read by Historians. the oldest old testament on record has over 4000 differences with the standard bible. and the oldest found new testament does not even mention Jesus being crucified. this is not a matter of "you people" this is historical context. something your people love to cry out when we point out a contradiction "THATS OUT OF CONTEXT!" you cry. well in this instance it is you out of context

 

[Ingledsva]

Opinion noted. You people who somehow think you know Christianity better than Christ and Christians never cease to amaze me with your foolish thoughts.

Facts are facts. It doesn't say Satan was in the Garden of Eden. It says nâchâsh = serpent.

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[DavidFirth]

"you people" you mean the jews? who wrote the book itself. jesus didn't write the bible. he didn't even write the Gospels. the Gospels were not even written by his followers. they were written over 100 years after his death by second-hand witnesses talking about first-hand witnesses. and even then there are many Gospels not in the new testament as the early Pope and church decided what went in. they of course still have those other Gospels they keep them in the Heretical Library and have them reviewed and read by Historians. the oldest old testament on record has over 4000 differences with the standard bible. and the oldest found new testament does not even mention Jesus being crucified. this is not a matter of "you people" this is historical context. something your people love to cry out when we point out a contradiction "THATS OUT OF CONTEXT!" you cry. well in this instance it is you out of context

No, "You people" refers to people who have no Christian faith but think they know more about it than Christians. Ludicrous.

 

[Enoch07]

exactly. you're just wrong. the Jews who wrote the bible state your wrong. they have more authority on it than anyone its their book not yours

The Jews did not write the Bible. Just the OT.

 

[Father]

your no Scientist and yet have argued the grounds of science one or twice I would wager.

whose alter you kiss matters, not for Truth.

I am a Deist and have no stake in this game I see all of you as children fighting over who Father likes better when Dad left a long time ago.


However, Truth is Truth. while History goes to the victors the victors did not do a very good job at covering their tracks. and for the sake of Literature its best to correct a misconception about the story when there is one

 

[Father]

The Jews did not write the Bible. Just the OT.

the bible is the Jewish scriptures, consisting of the Torah or Law, the Prophets, and the Hagiographa or Writings.

christians may add the new testament but both are entirely separate books telling different stories. the God in it is not even of the same personality.

 

[DavidFirth]

Facts are facts. It doesn't say Satan was in the Garden of Eden. It says nâchâsh = serpent.

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Your ignorance is astounding. What's worse is it's willful ignorance. I don't listen to people like you who think they know it all when in fact you have zero intelligence about what you're talking about.

How many people do you convince to become heathen Alaskans like you by your anger without knowledge? Forget it, I don't want to know.

 

[Enoch07]

and no the tower of babble was smote because none can enter heaven. heaven at the time was simply the realm of God and angels. all men went to sheol. all dead that is.
also, God is a prick. he killed someone for trying to catch the ark when it was falling

he could have easily been annoyed about the towers shape for all we know. have you read the bible? the character is all wrath jealously and crazy ex-girlfriend

You have zero understanding of the story of Noah, let alone anything else in the Bible. Stick to your comic books kiddo!

 

[Father]

The Jews did not write the Bible. Just the OT.

hints why its called the NEW TESTAMENT not

You have zero understanding of the story of Noah, let alone anything else in the Bible. Stick to your comic books kiddo!

Sheol - Wikipedia

When the Hebrew scriptures were translated into Greek in ancient Alexandria around 200 BC, the word "Hades" (the Greek underworld) was substituted for Sheol. This is reflected in the New Testament where Hades is both the underworld of the dead and the personification of the evil it represents.

 

[Father]

You have zero understanding of the story of Noah, let alone anything else in the Bible. Stick to your comic books kiddo!

Grab a history book kiddo as you obviously know nothing of it

 

[Father]

You have zero understanding of the story of Noah, let alone anything else in the Bible. Stick to your comic books kiddo!

as for Heaven look at the old models of the earth. heaven is labeled the place of God and above the firmament

 

[Father]

You have zero understanding of the story of Noah, let alone anything else in the Bible. Stick to your comic books kiddo!

it is NEVER once labled in those old models "the place for God and his foot lickers"

and if you actually learned what the Jews believed you would know the idea of "Going to heaven" is a new concept well new on a historical scale

 

[Ingledsva]

The tower of Babel was in Babylon. They used it to try and circumvent God to get to heaven. This is the issue between God and Satan. God wants us to go through Jesus to have salvation and be forgiven. Satan wants to be the final arbiter instead, so that's what he promises. To give people heaven without being judged by God. That is the relevance that you do not understand.

What is your point here?

You entered into a conversation discussing specifically Isaiah, Lucifer, and BABYLON, not the tower of Babel story.

Jesus and salvation have nothing to do with our discussion.

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[Father]

You have zero understanding of the story of Noah, let alone anything else in the Bible. Stick to your comic books kiddo!

Shamayim (שָׁמַיִם), the Hebrew word for "heaven" (literally heavens, plural), denotes one component of the three-part cosmos, the other elements being erets (the earth) and sheol (the underworld). Shamayim is the dwelling place of God and other heavenly beings, erets is the home of the living, and sheol is the realm of the dead,

the dwelling place of God and other heavenly beings

Sheol (The Underworld) not hell not the place of everlasting damnation and pain. simply the place for the dead


Seriously get rid of that rationalist title in your faith as you lack even a basic level of understanding of Theism let alone the Abrahamic faiths.

you're killing me, man.

 

[Father]

What is your point here?

You entered into a conversation discussing specifically Isaiah, Lucifer, and BABYLON, not the tower of Babel story.

Jesus and salvation have nothing to do with our discussion.

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When one lacks a point they tend to derail the discussion entirely

is probably his goal.

 

[Enoch07]

christians may add the new testament but both are entirely separate books telling different stories. the God in it is not even of the same personality.

Grab a history book kiddo as you obviously know nothing of it

as for Heaven look at the old models of the earth. heaven is labeled the place of God and above the firmament

it is NEVER once labled in those old models "the place for God and his foot lickers"

and if you actually learned what the Jews believed you would know the idea of "Going to heaven" is a new concept well new on a historical scale

Jesus and salvation have nothing to do with our discussion.

Your both completely out of your depth here.

 

[Enoch07]

Shamayim (שָׁמַיִם), the Hebrew word for "heaven" (literally heavens, plural), denotes one component of the three-part cosmos, the other elements being erets (the earth) and sheol (the underworld). Shamayim is the dwelling place of God and other heavenly beings, erets is the home of the living, and sheol is the realm of the dead,

the dwelling place of God and other heavenly beings

Sheol (The Underworld) not hell not the place of everlasting damnation and pain. simply the place for the dead


Seriously get rid of that rationalist title in your faith as you lack even a basic level of understanding of Theism let alone the Abrahamic faiths.

you're killing me, man.

Your posting definition of words out of context of the scripture. Basically your just randomly defining words for no reason. You might as well be typing, fjshdh jahsjek sjhfkeid bagdjd, because it amounts to the same thing when not in context.

 

[Father]

Your both completely out of your depth here.

Care to provide evidence? ive been pulling from the Jews and Hebrew.
if you have some secret knowledge and text stating what you're saying or position truly not from the bible which I fully pointed out your wrongness on. I would love to see it