Thou shall not kill!

[QuestioningMind]

Huh??

If the definition of murder is different from one legal system to another (ie, beheading a cheating wife is MURDER in the USA, but not everywhere), then what definition of murder is God referring to in the bible? Or is God saying that murder is whatever the legal definition for murder is in the country you happen to live in?

 

[Thief]

Please be so kind as to present an example of an illegal killing of an animal.

no hunting/fishing license
shooting a noisy dog
poaching/trafficking protected animal parts

 

[SalixIncendium]

One of the Ten Commandants is, Thou shall not kill. Does this apply to animals as well? Should I feel guilty eating meat if animals are regarded as God's precious creations?

No. Because the Ten Commandments are of Christian origin. Christians place humans at the top of the hierarchy of the animal kingdom.

That said, if you are Christian, you should feel no guilt eating meat.

However, if your views are more expansive, the thought of eating meat might give you pause.

 

[Thief]

if it died under your hand......you killed it
if you took the time to plot and plan the event.....you murdered it

if God objects.....you're in trouble

so.....
the difference pivots under God

 

[Thief]

Moses was a Jew....sort of

raised in the court of Pharaoh

that's the story I got

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Please be so kind as to present an example of an illegal killing of an animal.

Poaching and animal abuse.

And I believe they are watching us today and they will not reveal themselves until we stop eating/killing other living animals/fish/birds. Having said that, I can assure you, they are not going to say hello any time soon.

Especially if those aliens use that probe from Star Trek 4.

Yeah, I aim to not let it bother me. But when someone does it, I do grumble "murderer" in their direction. They think I'm being funny, so I let them believe that... but really... I'm not.

Just now, as my brother was taking a shower, a monster spider appeared that would probably eat small pets. I'm guessing mom took it outside. I catch lizards and frogs and such ... someone else has to get the bugs, LOL.

 

[blü 2]

God allowed us to kill and eat animals

Animals have been eating other animals since at least the Cambrian, possibly earlier, which is at least half a billion years before Yahweh (c. 1500 BCE).

Genus Homo has been killing animals for food for at least two million years. That's two million years before Yahweh.

No permission required.

 

[Thief]

and we have canine teeth

 

[Glaurung]

Sorry, but "murder" is a legal term.

Is it possible for a man rape his wife?

 

[Grandliseur]

One of the Ten Commandants is, Thou shall not kill. Does this apply to animals as well? Should I feel guilty eating meat if animals are regarded as God's precious creations?

2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every bird of the heavens; with all wherewith the ground teemeth, and all the fishes of the sea, into your hand are they delivered. 3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be food for you; as the green herb have I given you all. 4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. 5 And surely your blood, the blood of your lives, will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it: and at the hand of man, even at the hand of every man’s brother, will I require the life of man.​

We are permitted to eat animals, as you may see.

 

[Thief]

2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every bird of the heavens; with all wherewith the ground teemeth, and all the fishes of the sea, into your hand are they delivered. 3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be food for you; as the green herb have I given you all. 4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. 5 And surely your blood, the blood of your lives, will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it: and at the hand of man, even at the hand of every man’s brother, will I require the life of man.​

We are permitted to eat animals, as you may see.

you simply cook the meat until the blood dried out
no pink

and where's is the conversation?......
kill the fatted calf

no lamb chops?

 

[blü 2]

One of the Ten Commandants is, Thou shall not kill. Does this apply to animals as well?

The Decalogue is a very poor piece of drafting.

Rules 1- 4 are about maintaining the authority of the religious establishment.

Rule 5 is apparently a social services provision. If so, not a bad idea.

Rule 6 says "Thou shalt not kill," or "Thou shalt not murder". As 9/10 Penguin has already pointed out, this means "Prohibited killing is prohibited". It says nothing about defenses of self-defense, insanity, necessity, childhood or accident, nor of the role of negligence, nor the specifics of intention, nor the status of tribesmen as against foreigners, and so on.

Rule 7 says, Thou shalt not commit adultery. Unless of course you're the King. And anyway you can have as many 'wives' as you want, though that arrangement isn't reciprocal.

Rule 8 says, Thou shalt not steal. This has the same problem as Rule 6: "Prohibited taking is prohibited". It too should instead state a principal eg: "Do not take the property of another tribesman or -woman or the fruits or benefit of their labor, or deprive them of any entitlement, without their free consent; if you do, you must pay them full compensation &c and a fine &c."

Rule 9 says, Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. That seems unduly narrow. "Thou shalt not make untrue statements, or statements calculated to mislead, about your fellow-tribesmen and women: if you do &c."

Rule 10 says "Do not covet the property of your fellow tribesman." Since we should already have a rule against theft, perhaps here should be a rule against conspiracy to commit an unlawful act.

Rule 11 says "Thou shalt not park so as to obstruct thy fellow tribesman's driveway." This might be included instead in some more general injunction to behave civilly and considerately at all times.

Rule 12 should specify that for purposes of the rules, slaves of fellow-tribesmen have the same rights and obligations as fellow-tribesmen.

And we need some rules about assault, battery, blackmail, fraud, the right to privacy &c.

And so on. An opportunity lost.

 

[UpperLimits]

All we are saying is "Give peas a chance."

 

[DavidFirth]

Animals have been eating other animals since at least the Cambrian, possibly earlier, which is at least half a billion years before Yahweh (c. 1500 BCE).

Genus Homo has been killing animals for food for at least two million years. That's two million years before Yahweh.

No permission required.

Opinion noted.

 

[Grandliseur]

you simply cook the meat until the blood dried out
no pink

and where's is the conversation?......
kill the fatted calf

no lamb chops?

Not sure it even is desired that I answer this. But, when we eat meat, liver, steak, there is always some amount of blood. This is not what God tells us not to eat. It would otherwise be impossible to eat meat; rather, it is a dedicated blood sausage or blood pudding that must be avoided, or cooked lumps of blood.

It is simply a matter of doing what we are told.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Nothing about animals. This is just an unfortunate and poor English translation. This commandment literally is ,You shall not commit murder.

How could such a translation get through Gods screening process?

I thought these people were divinely inspired by God !

 

[blü 2]

Is it possible for a man rape his wife?

Only in enlightened jurisdictions.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Still not sure which dead horse you're trying to beat. There was a lot of killin' in the Old Testament that was Heaven Sanctioned (Canaan and Jericho come to mind, not to mention Goliath) but murder was always verboten. The word murder, of course, should be substituted for the word killing in this Commandment.

Let's try a different approach: what do you think "you shall not murder" is trying to tell you?

If we're defining "murder" as "prohibited killing," then you didn't need the commandment "you shall not murder" to know not to murder: this was built into the definition of the word.

It also doesn't tell us what sorts of killings qualify as murder, so it doesn't provide any useful new guidance.

So in either respect, the commandment is useless... yet somebody thought it was important enough to attribute it to God himself. Why?

 

[Glaurung]

Only in enlightened jurisdictions.

That's exactly the point. The commandment is clearly a moral one, not one that rests on any specific legal definition.

I really doubt anyone here seriously believes that murder is only what the state defines it as.

 

[blü 2]

I really doubt anyone here seriously believes that murder is only what the state defines it as.

But it isn't what many people think it is either. It's a complex of acts, intentions, defenses and sentences, and these vary a great deal between jurisdictions.

Women who kill long-violent husbands are a live example of such complexities ─ and of differing rules applied. Murder 1? 2? Manslaughter? Self-defense? Insanity? Provocation?