Did Islams Muhammed start off as a pacifist? What happened, anyone know the history of this change?
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Was Muhammed a Pacifist?
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No, neither was Abraham, Moses, nor Jesus Christ. Their claims are more complex and shrouded in the biased history of humans.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
I don't know the history of what made him violent...my guess is that he had to wait till he had enough followers before attacking the pagans
I read something about it being after he was exhiled, I don't know enough about it to say though.
. . . as Constantine and his son did with their vast resources.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Look at how short the article is. Islam has been around for 1400 years and they can barely fill a page on pacifism? Unexpected hilarity ensues...
I have my own theories on all of this, suffice to say that Muslims are not comforted by my reading of events and so I will bow to @Augustus on this as he is far more knowledgeable about the early era of Islam. One sect that is quite pacifist now, the Ismaili Sect has a fascinating history that was covered at length by Prof. Bernard Lewis. It started out as being far from pacifist.
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MonkeyFire
Well-Known Member
If you believe in genesis your passive.
Muhammad wasn't a pacifist.
Islam arguably became corrupt on Muhammad's deathbed. He wanted to write a will but Umar said:
"The Prophet is seriously ill and you have the Qu'ran, so the Book of Allah is enough for us."
The Shi'ites believe He was to indicate Ali His son-in-law as his rightful successor but Umar disobeyed Muhammad and successfully usurped Muhammad's wishes for his own ambitious ends.
Hadith of the pen and paper - Wikipedia
Thus the division of Islam into Shi'ite and Sunni.
Christ was not a pacifist either, rather a pragmatist. The Jews believed their Messiah would free them from the captivity of the Romans, but Jesus knew this was unwise.
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arthra
Baha'i
Understand that the first six years or so of the revelation Prophet Muhammad was generally ignored at first then derided and eventually persecuted by the Meccan pagans. Many Muslims during this time fled to Ethiopia and sought refuge from the Christian ruler there.. There was also an embargo against the Hashimite tribe. Finally the Meccan tribes sent representatives to visit the Prophet's bed with the intention of assassinating Him. Instead they found His cousin Ali ibn abu Talib.
The Prophet and Abu Bakr had fled to Medina.. this became the beginning of the Muslim calendar and was known as the Hijra. Note that the Hijra New Year is almost upon us in a few days! On September 21st we will enter 1439 Anno Hijra!
The Meccan tribes wasted no time and soon mounted a force to surround and eliminate the Muslims in Medina. The Prophet was given guidance to mount a defence ..
Surah Al-Haj [22:39-40]
a Jihad, a struggle with those who had driven them from their homes and sought to annihilate them.
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hello.
islam the religion of peace.
God revealed the holy Quran to prophet Mohammad for salvation of all mankind.
prophet Mohammad is mercy for entire creation according to the verse 107 of chapter 21.
prophet mohammad and his ahlalbayt (progeny), are generous for all.
read this book about magnanimity, generosity, munificent and blessings of prophet Mohammad and his Ahlalbayt.
Ahl al-Bayt, The Celestial Beings on the Earth
1. Kisa' Tradition
A. Jalaluddin `Abdul-Rahman bin Abi Bakr Suyuti (d 911 A.H.) in his commentary “Al-Dur al-Manthur”, 198/5-199, Muhammad ibn `Isa Tirmidhi (3 279 A.H.) the author of “Jami' Sahih”, Hakim Nishaburi (d 405 A.H.) in “Al-Mustadrak ala al-Sahihayn”, Ahmad ibn Husayn Bayhaqi (d 458 A.H.) in “Sunan” (all three of whom have considered the Kisa' tradition as authentic), Muhammad ibn Jarir Tabari (d 315 A.H.), Ibn Munzir Muhammad ibn Ibrahim (d 319 A.H.), Ibn Mardawayh Isfahani, and Ahmad ibn Musa (d 410 A.H.) have quoted Ummu Salamah, the wife of the Holy Prophet (S) as saying that the verse
“... Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! And to purify you a thorough purifying (33:33)”
was revealed in her house. At that time, `Ali, Fatimah, Hasan, and Husayn (peace be upon them all) were in her house. The Holy Prophet (S) spread his cloak over them and stated: “These are the members of my Household, and Allah has purified them of all (sins and faults and uncleanness).”
B. Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Hanbal, the Hanbali Imam, (d 241 A.H.), in “Musnad” 229/2 quotes Ummu Salamah as saying: “The Holy Prophet (S) was in my house. Fatimah (`a) came to her father holding a stone bowl filled with “harirah” (type of food made up of flour, milk, and vegetable oil). The Holy Prophet (S) stated: Invite your husband and two sons to come as well.” `Ali, Hasan, and Husayn also came there and all sat down to eat “harirah”.
Then, the Holy Prophet (S) was sitting on a cloak in his resting place and I was reciting the prayer in the chamber. At this time, Almighty Allah revealed the verse “Allah only desires to ...”. The Holy Prophet (S) covered `Ali, Fatimah, Hasan, and Husayn (peace be upon them all) with the cloak and then stretched his hand toward the sky and said: “Allah! These are the Members of my Household, so purify them of all uncleanness'. Ummu Salamah said: “I asked him: “Am I also with you?” He stated: “You are on good and virtue” (but did not say that you are a member of my Household)'.”
This tradition has also been narrated by Ahmad ibn Muhammad Tahawi (d 321 A.H.) in “Mushkil al-Athar” 332 and 334; Wahidi in “Asbab al-Nuzul” 268 and Muhib Tabari (d 694 A.H.) in “Zakhair al-`Uqba” 23 have related this tradition. In continuation of this tradition, Tabari has written that the Prophet (S) stated: “I am a friend of whosoever is friends with them and an enemy of whosoever is an enemy of them.”
The said tradition of similar statements have been recorded in “Manaqib” by Ibn Hanbal, 44, the microfilm copy of the book is available in the Parliament Library. Tabari remarked: “This tradition has been narrated from Umma Salamah by Ibn al-Qubabi in “Mu'jam” and Siyuti in “Al-Dur al-Mnthur” under the title of the “tathir verse”, as well as by Ibn Jarir, Ibn Munzir, Ibn Mardawayh, Ibn Abi Hatam and Ibn Tabrani.”
C- Khatib Baghdadi, Ahmad bin `Ali, (d 463 A.H.) in “The History of Baghdad” 278/10, has quoted Abu Saeed Khidri S`ad bin Malik (d 74 A.H.) as saying that after the revelation of the “tathir verse”, the Holy Prophet (S) summoned `Ali, Fatimah, Hasan, and Husayn (peace be upon them all) and covered them with the cloak he had on and said: “These are the members of my Household, and Allah has purified them (of every wrong and sin).” The same tradition has been narrated from Ummu Salamah by Muhammad ibn Jarir Tabari in “Jam`a al-Bayan” 7/22.
D- In “Sahih Muslim” (narrated by Sayyid Murtada Firoozabadi in “Fadail al-Khamsah min Sihah al-Sitah” 214/1), Safiyah, the daughter of Shayba, has narrated `Aishah, the wife of the Holy Prophet (S), as saying: “One morning, the Messenger of Allah left the house with a cloak made of black material and bearing the design of a camel's saddle. Hasan ibn `Ali entered the place, and the Prophet (S) covered him with the cloak. Then came Husayn, Fatimah, and `Ali one after another, and all of them were also covered by the cloak. The Prophet (S) then stated: “... Allah only desires to keep away uncleanness from you, O people of the House! And to purify you a (thorough) purifying.”
This tradition has been narrated by Hakim Nishaburi in “Al-Mustadark” 14/3; Bayhaqi in “Sunan” 149/2; Tabari in the “Jami al-Bayan” Siyuti in “al-Durri al-Manthur” under the title of the “tathir verse”. In addition, Ibn Abi Shaybah, Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Hanbal, Ibn Abi Hatam have narrated it from `Aishah. Zamakhshari in “Kashshaf” and Fakhr Razi in “Tafsir Kabir” have also related this tradition. It seems that the recorders of traditions are unanimous about the authenticity of this tradition (“Fadail al-Khamsah” 224/1).
E- In the “Jami al-Bayan” Muhammad bin Jarir Tabari has quoted Shahr bin Hushab Ash'air (d 100 A.H.) as saying: “When Ummu Salamah heard news of the martyrdom of Husayn bin `Ali (`a), she cursed the people of Iraq and said: `May Allah kill the people of Iraq who deceived him and left him alone. May Allah curse them. Verily, I saw Fatimah while bringing a stone bowl of sweet paste for the Holy Prophet (S). The Holy Prophet (S) stated: `Where is your cousin?' She said: `At home.' The Prophet (S) said: `Go bring him here with his two sons.' Fatimah returned while holding the hands of Hasan and Husayn. `Ali also followed them, and they came to the Holy Prophet (S).
The Holy Prophet (S) embraced Hasan and Husayn and made `Ali sit on his right and Fatimah on left. He then the cloak as the carpet on which we slept in Medina and placed it over Fatimah, `Ali, Hasan, and Husayn. He held the two sides of the cloak with his left hand. He raised his right hand toward the sky addressing Almighty Allah by saying: `O Allah, purify them of any uncleanness . O Allah, these are the members of my Household. Purify and cleanse them of any vice, wrong, and sin,' (He repeated this twice). I asked: `O Messenger! Am I also a member of your Household?' He said: `You come under the cloak.' I also went under the cloak, but only after the Prophet (S) finished his prayer for his cousin, his two sons, and Fatimah (peace be upon them all).”
This tradition has been related by Ahmad bin Muhammad ibn Hanbal in “Musnad” 292/6: Tahwi in “Mushkil al-Athar” 335/1; and Muhib Tabari in “Zakhair al-`Uqba” 22/1. The Kisa' tradition which has been narrated in different forms by the Shias and the Sunnis is very sacred for the entire Imamiyyah, especially the Shia of Iran, the Indian subcontinent, Iraq, and Yemen.
It is recited in “rawdah” sessions (mourning ceremony) to have the wishes fulfilled and problems removed. Some narration provide more details on this tradition. Some say that Jibraeel and Mikaeel were also among the disciples of the Kisa' or were present there. A divine revelation was descended on the Holy Prophet (S) to the effect that the world and whatever is in it is indebted to these five pure ones.
A. Jalaluddin `Abdul-Rahman bin Abi Bakr Suyuti (d 911 A.H.) in his commentary “Al-Dur al-Manthur”, 198/5-199, Muhammad ibn `Isa Tirmidhi (3 279 A.H.) the author of “Jami' Sahih”, Hakim Nishaburi (d 405 A.H.) in “Al-Mustadrak ala al-Sahihayn”, Ahmad ibn Husayn Bayhaqi (d 458 A.H.) in “Sunan” (all three of whom have considered the Kisa' tradition as authentic), Muhammad ibn Jarir Tabari (d 315 A.H.), Ibn Munzir Muhammad ibn Ibrahim (d 319 A.H.), Ibn Mardawayh Isfahani, and Ahmad ibn Musa (d 410 A.H.) have quoted Ummu Salamah, the wife of the Holy Prophet (S) as saying that the verse
“... Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! And to purify you a thorough purifying (33:33)”
was revealed in her house. At that time, `Ali, Fatimah, Hasan, and Husayn (peace be upon them all) were in her house. The Holy Prophet (S) spread his cloak over them and stated: “These are the members of my Household, and Allah has purified them of all (sins and faults and uncleanness).”
B. Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Hanbal, the Hanbali Imam, (d 241 A.H.), in “Musnad” 229/2 quotes Ummu Salamah as saying: “The Holy Prophet (S) was in my house. Fatimah (`a) came to her father holding a stone bowl filled with “harirah” (type of food made up of flour, milk, and vegetable oil). The Holy Prophet (S) stated: Invite your husband and two sons to come as well.” `Ali, Hasan, and Husayn also came there and all sat down to eat “harirah”.
Then, the Holy Prophet (S) was sitting on a cloak in his resting place and I was reciting the prayer in the chamber. At this time, Almighty Allah revealed the verse “Allah only desires to ...”. The Holy Prophet (S) covered `Ali, Fatimah, Hasan, and Husayn (peace be upon them all) with the cloak and then stretched his hand toward the sky and said: “Allah! These are the Members of my Household, so purify them of all uncleanness'. Ummu Salamah said: “I asked him: “Am I also with you?” He stated: “You are on good and virtue” (but did not say that you are a member of my Household)'.”
This tradition has also been narrated by Ahmad ibn Muhammad Tahawi (d 321 A.H.) in “Mushkil al-Athar” 332 and 334; Wahidi in “Asbab al-Nuzul” 268 and Muhib Tabari (d 694 A.H.) in “Zakhair al-`Uqba” 23 have related this tradition. In continuation of this tradition, Tabari has written that the Prophet (S) stated: “I am a friend of whosoever is friends with them and an enemy of whosoever is an enemy of them.”
The said tradition of similar statements have been recorded in “Manaqib” by Ibn Hanbal, 44, the microfilm copy of the book is available in the Parliament Library. Tabari remarked: “This tradition has been narrated from Umma Salamah by Ibn al-Qubabi in “Mu'jam” and Siyuti in “Al-Dur al-Mnthur” under the title of the “tathir verse”, as well as by Ibn Jarir, Ibn Munzir, Ibn Mardawayh, Ibn Abi Hatam and Ibn Tabrani.”
C- Khatib Baghdadi, Ahmad bin `Ali, (d 463 A.H.) in “The History of Baghdad” 278/10, has quoted Abu Saeed Khidri S`ad bin Malik (d 74 A.H.) as saying that after the revelation of the “tathir verse”, the Holy Prophet (S) summoned `Ali, Fatimah, Hasan, and Husayn (peace be upon them all) and covered them with the cloak he had on and said: “These are the members of my Household, and Allah has purified them (of every wrong and sin).” The same tradition has been narrated from Ummu Salamah by Muhammad ibn Jarir Tabari in “Jam`a al-Bayan” 7/22.
D- In “Sahih Muslim” (narrated by Sayyid Murtada Firoozabadi in “Fadail al-Khamsah min Sihah al-Sitah” 214/1), Safiyah, the daughter of Shayba, has narrated `Aishah, the wife of the Holy Prophet (S), as saying: “One morning, the Messenger of Allah left the house with a cloak made of black material and bearing the design of a camel's saddle. Hasan ibn `Ali entered the place, and the Prophet (S) covered him with the cloak. Then came Husayn, Fatimah, and `Ali one after another, and all of them were also covered by the cloak. The Prophet (S) then stated: “... Allah only desires to keep away uncleanness from you, O people of the House! And to purify you a (thorough) purifying.”
This tradition has been narrated by Hakim Nishaburi in “Al-Mustadark” 14/3; Bayhaqi in “Sunan” 149/2; Tabari in the “Jami al-Bayan” Siyuti in “al-Durri al-Manthur” under the title of the “tathir verse”. In addition, Ibn Abi Shaybah, Ahmad bin Muhammad bin Hanbal, Ibn Abi Hatam have narrated it from `Aishah. Zamakhshari in “Kashshaf” and Fakhr Razi in “Tafsir Kabir” have also related this tradition. It seems that the recorders of traditions are unanimous about the authenticity of this tradition (“Fadail al-Khamsah” 224/1).
E- In the “Jami al-Bayan” Muhammad bin Jarir Tabari has quoted Shahr bin Hushab Ash'air (d 100 A.H.) as saying: “When Ummu Salamah heard news of the martyrdom of Husayn bin `Ali (`a), she cursed the people of Iraq and said: `May Allah kill the people of Iraq who deceived him and left him alone. May Allah curse them. Verily, I saw Fatimah while bringing a stone bowl of sweet paste for the Holy Prophet (S). The Holy Prophet (S) stated: `Where is your cousin?' She said: `At home.' The Prophet (S) said: `Go bring him here with his two sons.' Fatimah returned while holding the hands of Hasan and Husayn. `Ali also followed them, and they came to the Holy Prophet (S).
The Holy Prophet (S) embraced Hasan and Husayn and made `Ali sit on his right and Fatimah on left. He then the cloak as the carpet on which we slept in Medina and placed it over Fatimah, `Ali, Hasan, and Husayn. He held the two sides of the cloak with his left hand. He raised his right hand toward the sky addressing Almighty Allah by saying: `O Allah, purify them of any uncleanness . O Allah, these are the members of my Household. Purify and cleanse them of any vice, wrong, and sin,' (He repeated this twice). I asked: `O Messenger! Am I also a member of your Household?' He said: `You come under the cloak.' I also went under the cloak, but only after the Prophet (S) finished his prayer for his cousin, his two sons, and Fatimah (peace be upon them all).”
This tradition has been related by Ahmad bin Muhammad ibn Hanbal in “Musnad” 292/6: Tahwi in “Mushkil al-Athar” 335/1; and Muhib Tabari in “Zakhair al-`Uqba” 22/1. The Kisa' tradition which has been narrated in different forms by the Shias and the Sunnis is very sacred for the entire Imamiyyah, especially the Shia of Iran, the Indian subcontinent, Iraq, and Yemen.
It is recited in “rawdah” sessions (mourning ceremony) to have the wishes fulfilled and problems removed. Some narration provide more details on this tradition. Some say that Jibraeel and Mikaeel were also among the disciples of the Kisa' or were present there. A divine revelation was descended on the Holy Prophet (S) to the effect that the world and whatever is in it is indebted to these five pure ones.
Augustus
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If you mean actual pacifist, in the Islamic tradition he was a trader and traders travelling long distances with valuable merchandise would almost certainly be armed. There is nothing theologically to suggest he was an actual pacifist, and anyway Islamic theology is as reliable a source of history as Christian theology is (perhaps even less so).
From non-Muslim history, there really is very little about Muhammad. There is about enough to confirm he existed, was viewed as a prophet by some, and was in charge of some warriors (see: “Muḥammad, the Keys to Paradise, and the Doctrina Iacobi: A Late Antique Puzzle,” Der Islam 91.2 (2014): 243-265). Nothing about his early life. Nothing to suggest he was a pacifist.
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islam is the religion of peace.
compare wars in islam to current situation, current wars, violence in the world, first and second world wars etc.
prophet Mohammad and his ahlalbayt did not start any war against others.
prophet mohammad, and his ahlalbayt are the means of security for all creations.
even God says in the quran:
And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection
till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this
is because they are a people who do not know.
also 18 verses of chapter 76 in the quran: was revealed about progeny of prophet (ahlalbayt).
They fulfill vows and fear a day the evil of which shall be spreading far and
wide.
And they give food out of love for Him to the poor and the orphan and the
captive:
We only feed you for Allah's sake; we desire from you neither reward nor
thanks:
ahlalbayt was fasting, for iftar, three nights, gave there food to the needy, orphan and captive.
they did not start any wars,
only the enemies started attack and prophet and his progeny defended the religion of islam, muslim ummah and themselves in the wars.
prophet mohammad himself, did not kill anyone of the enemies in the wars!
even they are kind towards the enemies in the war.
as i mentioned, that prophet and his progeny did not start any wars, and only defended the religion of islam and themselves and muslim people that ahlalbayt gave there food that they needed for breaking there fast to the captive of there enemies!
SURA 53. AN-NAJM (THE STAR)
1. I swear by the star when it goes down.
2. Your companion does not err, nor does he go astray;
3. Nor does he speak out of desire.
4. It is naught but revelation that is revealed,
5. The Lord of Mighty Power has taught him,
6. The Lord of Strength; so he attained completion,
these are verses of chapter alnajm that confirms that the messages and sayings of prophet Mohammad isfrom revelation of God and the hadith of thaqalayn which prophet mentioned, is authentic between all muslims groups.
Hi Zahra,
Thanks for all the detailed arguments and proofs from an Shi'ite perspective. My knowledge of Islam, as with many here on RF is a work in progress so go easy
I see you are from Iran which of course is where the Baha'i Faith came from. I'm from New Zealand and am from a Christian background.
You have probably come across Baha'is in your homeland. As you will appreciate the Baha'is believe in Muhammad as a Messenger of Allah, The Holy Qu'ran is His guidance to humanity, and accepts the Imams as the rightful successor...
Baha'is of course are not Muslims and have an entirely different theology.
The reason I raised the issue of Umar when Muhammad was dying was to highlight the division in Islam from an early time, and many of the early leaders did not reflect Muhammad's teachings or wishes.
Kind regards, Adrian
Islam enshrines the right to self defence in the face of aggression.
Islam continues to grow even with the negative Media coverage:
What States Have The Most Mosques? Survey Shows Trends Among American Muslims
CNN News: 1.5 Million Americans converted to ISLAM in USA - Burqah and Enemies
As Allah swt says,
It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.
Qur'an 9:33
May Allah swt bless ALL the Muslims of the World, the Ummah of Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasalam.
“Verily Allah has shown me the eastern and western part of the earth, and I saw the authority of my Ummah (nation) dominate all that I saw.” Sahih Muslim, hadith.
Islam continues to grow even with the negative Media coverage:
What States Have The Most Mosques? Survey Shows Trends Among American Muslims
CNN News: 1.5 Million Americans converted to ISLAM in USA - Burqah and Enemies
As Allah swt says,
It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.
Qur'an 9:33
May Allah swt bless ALL the Muslims of the World, the Ummah of Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasalam.
“Verily Allah has shown me the eastern and western part of the earth, and I saw the authority of my Ummah (nation) dominate all that I saw.” Sahih Muslim, hadith.
DavidFirth
Well-Known Member
Those people have zero to do with the OP. Can you answer his question directly?
Deflection, bait & switch are subtle tactics, nice try.
Islam is not peaceful Zahra, but you are. But also, if you were from another religion you would be still peaceful?
not islam, but all divine religions are peaceful.
God revealed his revelation in the different ages according to needs and understanding of mankind to give them prosperity and salvation.
islam is not against other religions, but confirms them and completes them.
we believe in all of prophets, divine books and respect them.
islam is the perfected version of all divine religions!
not islam, but all divine religions are peaceful.
God revealed his revelation in the different ages according to needs and understanding of mankind to give them prosperity and salvation.
islam is not against other religions, but confirms them and completes them.
we believe in all of prophets, divine books and respect them.
islam is the perfected version of all divine religions!