Umm who said they needed financial support? If I have a big house (US is a very big Country) I will certainly rent out much of it to people who help maintain the house and pitch in financially. More the merrier, like a sorority.
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Fate Of Dreamers Rest With Congress
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
So, when it comes to politics, morality no longer matters?
I agree for most part. Corporations do take advantage of illegal immigrants because they can pay them less and get away with it. What is the illegal immigrant going to do? Its not like they can go to the DoL for help. They know they will be deported.
Upper class private citizens pay them lower wages for manual labor as well for the same reason. Because they can and the illegal immigrant can do nothing about it.
These are 2 of the reasons unfortunately why illegal immigration is what it is today. And why it will be hard to be reformed.
It is almost like illegal immigration is the new form of socially acceptable form of slavery. (thats hyperbole not an actual accusation)
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Melania Trump was admitted into this country on a visa, but not a work visa, and yet she worked as a model. The law has it that if one violates the conditions of their visa, which it appears she did, they should be removed.
So, should Melania be kicked out? She violated the law whereas the Dreamers haven't.
Maybe her husband can go with her.
So, should Melania be kicked out? She violated the law whereas the Dreamers haven't.
Maybe her husband can go with her.
tytlyf
Not Religious
Correct, which is why the GOP doesn't want to address the illegal immigrant problem. Exploiting people is their MO.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Anyhow, to the OP, I'll use Obama's word for this: "cruel".
If I came to split up your family, whereas the Dreamer had no say in this matter and knows no other country, what would you think of me?
As we've seen over and over again, Trump is appealing to the bigots that are a large part of his base-- to hell with morality.
If I came to split up your family, whereas the Dreamer had no say in this matter and knows no other country, what would you think of me?
As we've seen over and over again, Trump is appealing to the bigots that are a large part of his base-- to hell with morality.
Because they would not have come here illegally if they was financially stable...
Because....
"Morality is not mutually exclusive to religion".
Author: Every athiest ever.
It is the democrats that want illegal immigration to remain unchecked.....................
It is the republicans that want to restrict illegal immigration................
Ok now that reality is reflected. Would you care to rephrase?
tytlyf
Not Religious
? According to who? Hahahha
? According to who? Hahahaha
GOP media isn't 'reality.' Propaganda is dangerous, learn to recognize it.
Umm... immigrants don't come to US to be jobless. Most have jobs and do support themselves. And their children, schooled here are quite able to support themselves and would contribute to taxes even more.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
You skirted around my question, plus we weren't discussing what atheists may or may not believe.
While we're at it, since it does relate, where do you think morality comes from? If you think God is the source, or at least a source, doncha think that maybe one could use His morality when judging political statements and events?
As Gandhi said, if one thinks there can be a complete separation of "church and state", they don't really understand religion. And I would add they also really don't understand politics.
tytlyf
Not Religious
Yep, most work. None vote. Mostly because illegal immigrants aren't going to show up to any government office and announce they're here. America is the shining city on the hill to people in 3rd world countries, they want to share in a better life. Can't blame them. Illegal immigrants have lower crime rates than citizens as well.
More than this, I cannot understand the logic of restricting immigration to highly educated folks. The standard of living in US is relatively high, making labor costs high. Allowing medium and low skilled people keeps labor costs down, reduces production costs and keep US industries competitive wrt the developing world. With more industries here, high end jobs also increases, where long time US residents can get jobs. Finally immigrants are young folks, thus they act as a counterweight against an aging population and stops the productive tax pool from decreasing which supports Medicare costs over the next decades.
Am I missing something here?
It's how the republic works. You work according to laws enacted by representatives elected by the majority. Not personal feelings.
Everyone now has the opportunity to contact congress to express their views. It's now up to the people of the US.
tytlyf
Not Religious
I don't think you're missing anything. Big Agro relies on these immigrants to keep their profits where they are. Someone has to work the fields. If those illegal immigrant employees were deported, Big Agro would see their costs skyrocket. Or you'd see more automation.
What people don't care to even understand is that half the illegal immigrants that came into America came here legally. There will be no wall built, there will be no mass deportations.
Some claim the wall needs to stop ISIL, which is absurd. For an example, I think all the 9/11 hijackers came into the US via the Canada border. But you don't hear GOP media calling for a wall on the north side. Just another example of their propaganda.
According to reality.
Look up what a "sanctuary city" is. While your at it look at what cities/states support sanctuary cities.
What do we find? Correlation and corroboration of unbiased data that you can draw a reasonable conclusion of reality!
Sanctuary cities are in democrat strongholds New York, Illinois, California. One could logically say thay democrats are the ones that want illegal immigration to continue unchanged. To deny this is to deny reality.
We are not discussing what christians may or not believe either but you felt the need to bring it up. The discussion is about the dreamers and illegal immigration.
If you want to debate religion go to one of the other forums. This forum is for north american politics.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Trump obviously knew (as any reasonably informed person would) that congress would not be able to pass immigration reform in just 6 months. It is an absurd time frame when they also have to take care of tax reform and the debt limit.
In other words, Trump just punted responsibility to congress knowing well that they won't be able to get anything done. And, now he says that he will revisit DACA after 6 months. So, it seems he didn't actually do anything.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
I think it's more that they don't want to punish people who are merely trying to make a better life for themselves.
tytlyf
Not Religious
Sanctuary cities are all over the country. Even in Texas. But I understand your media would never fill you in on that info. That would be bad for the GOP agenda. GOP media demonizes certain words/areas, etc. You just proved that.