It is so fun watching you and @shunyadragon engage in a bromance of ignorant bible-bashing.I don't know of any educated Jews that consider the christian bible to be Jewish scripture.
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It is so fun watching you and @shunyadragon engage in a bromance of ignorant bible-bashing.I don't know of any educated Jews that consider the christian bible to be Jewish scripture.
It is so fun watching you and @shunyadragon engage in a bromance of ignorant bible-bashing.
Are you going to try to present any actual examples?There is a logical fallacy here when you take disagreements personally, and make rude accusations of others. Can you name it.
It is fine with me that the Bible is Christian scripture, and containing Hebrew scripture translated from the Christian perspective. If you read Tumah carefully he is not far off if at all from our view of the Hebrew scriptures not equivalent to the Old Testament, because of translation problems like capitalization and punctuation as well as direct translation errors of some words.
I have presented sources to support my view, and find no disagreement with what Tumah has posted so far.
Name two.... our view of the Hebrew scriptures not equivalent to the Old Testament, because of translation problems like capitalization and punctuation ....
There is a ligical fallacy called the straw man as well. You are attacking whether or not the OT is the equivalent of Jewish scripture. It is not. It is not Jewish scripture. It is however Judeo-Christian scripture. You realize that the terms equivalent and related are not equivalent?There is a logical fallacy here when you take disagreements personally, and make rude accusations of others. Can you name it.
It is fine with me that the Bible is Christian scripture, and containing Hebrew scripture translated from the Christian perspective. If you read Tumah carefully he is not far off if at all from our view of the Hebrew scriptures not equivalent to the Old Testament, because of translation problems like capitalization and punctuation as well as direct translation errors of some words.
I have presented sources to support my view, and find no disagreement with what Tumah has posted so far.
There is a ligical fallacy called the straw man as well. You are attacking whether or not the OT is the equivalent of Jewish scripture. It is not. It is not Jewish scripture. It is however Judeo-Christian scripture. You realize that the terms equivalent and related are not equivalent?
Are you going to try to present any actual examples?
I think you are mistaken. It is not Jewish scripture, it has no effect on Jewish scripture. That is a different question than whether it is Judeo-Christian scripture. If the posters who happen to be Jewish disagree, it is not because of their understanding of Jewish scripture, it is because if their lack of understanding regarding the term Judeo-Christian.So far from the Jewish perspective so far of posters who are Jewish, except for @Jayhawker Soule, the Christian Old Testament is not considered Judeo-Christian scripture. That is not a Straw man, it is simply the belief of many Jews.
I think you are mistaken. It is not Jewish scripture, it has no effect on Jewish scripture. That is a different question than whether it is Judeo-Christian scripture. If the posters who happen to be Jewish disagree, it is not because of their understanding of Jewish scripture, it is because if their lack of understanding regarding the term Judeo-Christian.
No it is a mistake. You are asking posters if they are equivalent, not if they are related. This is a false equivalency. Equivalent and related are not equivalent.No mistake . . .
So far from the Jewish perspective so far of posters who are Jewish, except for @Jayhawker Soule, the Christian Old Testament is not considered Judeo-Christian scripture. That is not a Straw man, it is simply the belief of many Jews.
I meant something we could actually discuss, since I don't know what you are actully referring to. I'm not sure what a capilization of messsiah would/should be inferring, either, without context. The virgin of babylon might be something, seems obscure.Tumah mentioned the Capitalization of messiah in translation in some text is incorrect from the Hebrew perspective. Did you read his posts?
The translation of the Hebrew for young woman is in error a virgin in some texts.
I gave a source that discussed the problem of punctuation. Did you read it?
I meant something we could actually discuss, since I don't know what you are actully referring to. I'm not sure what a capilization of messsiah would/should be inferring, either, without context. The virgin of babylon might be something, seems obscure.
If that is your only argument, it doesn't seem like much of an argument, actually.
Ps I thought you might have your own arguments, as opposed to referring to others.
It is so fun watching you and @shunyadragon engage in a bromance of ignorant bible-bashing.
I'm not defending it at all. I have four 'bibles' (and twice that many torahs) on the bookshelves behind me, only one of which is Christian, and any honest review of my past quotes over the years would demonstrate that I typically use the Christian source solely as a secondary reference. The Old Testament of that Christian source - the NRSV - was heavily influenced by the efforts of key translator Harry Orlinsky, "the editor-in-chief of the New Jewish Publication Society (NJPS) translation of the Torah (1962)."One of the surprises is as a Jew your so ardently defending the Christian Bible,
What I am defending is a thoughtful and intellectually honest evaluation of the texts, something wholly at odds with everything that you've demonstrated so far.
Excellent. Start a post on the Amy-Jill Levine source and we'll discuss it. We might even find points of agreement.I am defending a reasonable thoughtful and intellectually honest position with sources.
Excellent. Start a post on the Amy-Jill Levine source and we'll discuss it. We might even find points of agreement.
Excellent. Start a post on the Amy-Jill Levine source and we'll discuss it. We might even find points of agreement.