How are these Great Beings explained?

[RoaringSilence]

Haha. You lost me.

It's a personal bias. They can explain and quote it to the cows come come, but if you told a LGBTQ, Deaf, Pagan, any minority religious, a woman back in the 1940s or so, Blacks, and so forth that we have the same inner core as our oppressors, they won't be causing world peace but division. No separate but equal. No "we are all the same but we respect your differences." No "we respect your differences because we are all the same."

We respect your differences because we are all different.

That is okay.

Once everyone starts unifying people and justifying it by offering their own version of peace (which whites did all throughout our US and neighboring ally history), we'd keep causing division between the classes.

Instead of reinventing the wheel, ask people what they believe and take their beliefs as facts. I can never believe in a religion that does or did the opposite of what they promote.

Illogical Dr.

they're like wet clay on a potters wheel... they re sapping info at this point to let the argumentative type religious vigils on the net play with the clay... and the clay keeps changing records and info to counter-fit. when your exhausted. with your own effort ..they will hand you the clay pot you made by your own poking as the final product in exchange for slavery to a new empire (ottoman).

You will feel satisfied becoz the pot looks exactly like what you wanted ..and you will happily hand them your freedom.

Because we told you god = this technique ..give us money to expand and conquer ..and follow this law.

aha fuk off..i don't need you to tell me what god wants..i will deal with him my way..and i m not scared of any hell. burn me all you like ..but i will not submit to a god who doesn't understand his creation. or is handicapped on x or y method.

 

[CG Didymus]

Knowledge is choice.

Not everything needs proof and not all we know has proof.

Regards Tony

What happened to science and religion must agree? The literalist Christians love to say, "The Bible says it, so I believe it". In that book we have all those things that are questionable that they take as absolute truth, like a young Earth and a six day creation. If men of science say different, it is the scientists that are wrong.

Baha'is, though, say the Bible is true but in a symbolic way. But what about Baha'i writings? It sounds like Baha'is are literalists when it comes to their writings. If Baha'u'llah said it, then you believe it and that settles it? That's why those of us with contrary beliefs don't agree with Baha'is. Because we are told that we are wrong... that if we would do an independent investigation of truth, we see the light.

But that's what we are doing in this thread... checking out if what the Baha'is say is true. But, when we still disagree, then we are told we must do an unbiased investigation. Which really means we have to forget all we think we know and come see how Baha'u'llah is right.

 

[CG Didymus]

Civil law, in History, has always bèn based on the Religuous Message accepted by society.

Civil law should be based on Spiritual Principals, to which reward and punishment are the foundation.

Regards Tony

Why do we need a "civil" law when the All-knowing God sent his manifestations to all people to give them God's Law? Did the nation of Israel under King David have civil laws to go with God's Law?

 

[CG Didymus]

I never searched, and I don't believe people have to search, as there is nothing really to search for. Some stuff just happens.

To have to search for something implies it is lost or hidden. For me, truth was hidden. And, it is still hidden. I thought I had found it several times and quit searching... Then someone found me and told me what I had found wasn't the truth, and they told me their truth. That's what is happening now. I don't search for truth, I question everybody else's truth.

 

[CG Didymus]

You know, King is metaphorical in this case.

From Bahai point of view, Buddha was a Manifestation, having same station of Jesus:

"You will realize that if the Divine Light of Truth shone in Jesus Christ, it also shone in Moses and Buddha. This is what is meant by the search after truth.". Abdulbaha

Confusius was not a Prophet.

So China had no known manifestation? None of their great teachers were from God?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So China had no known manifestation? None of their great teachers were from God?

Nevermind the Americas, Oceania, Africa, etc.

 

[CG Didymus]

Exactly. My biggest issue when I first came on this thread wasnt to tell bahai belief is wrong (my motive). I was queationing their authority and right to reinterpret another persons faith. If the Jews, Hindu, Christian, and even a Muslim came to correct them, why wouldnthey overlook their views when they know the faith more than bahai.

Loverofbumanity said in the beginning why would they eed to ask permission when the interpretation they received is from god.

The second issue is the logic. I asked i
@InvestigateTruth how can a person give a meszage to god 1, who is an incarnation of god 2, who is an incarnation of god 3, who, god 3 is supposedly the one who sent the message at the same time as receiving with different characterstics, nature, and purpose.

The other post said it better. Too lazy to find it.

Too lazy? It's understandable. You've done so much here on this thread. Thanks so much for sticking with it. I'm the one that is getting lazy. I leave for several days at a time. I know I've missed a few pages, but it's just too much sometimes. I can't imagine what the Baha'i guys are going through. They're obligated to read and answer everyone.

 

[CG Didymus]

Nevermind the Americas, Oceania, Africa, etc.

They do say that no people were left without guidance, and I suppose that means a "manifestation". Unfortunately, their names and teachings aren't known. But that don't matter 'cause even the ones we do know about, and all said contradictory things, are made to all agree. In case you missed those posts way back a few thousand posts ago, the Baha'i say the "original" teachings of all the manifestations are gone, but if we had them, they would all agree, since they all came from the same God.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

They do say that no people were left without guidance, and I suppose that means a "manifestation". Unfortunately, their names and teachings aren't known. But that don't matter 'cause even the ones we do know about, and all said contradictory things, are made to all agree. In case you missed those posts way back a few thousand posts ago, the Baha'i say the "original" teachings of all the manifestations are gone, but if we had them, they would all agree, since they all came from the same God.

Right. They're just making it up as they go along as with all the "prophet" religions.

 

[RoaringSilence]

Nevermind the Americas, Oceania, Africa, etc.

LORD ALMIGHTY THE BEST MIRROR COPY OF unmanifest- GENGHIS KHAN . Asswhoper of the Greedy land grabbers , Slayer of scum.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Too lazy? It's understandable. You've done so much here on this thread. Thanks so much for sticking with it. I'm the one that is getting lazy. I leave for several days at a time. I know I've missed a few pages, but it's just too much sometimes. I can't imagine what the Baha'i guys are going through. They're obligated to read and answer everyone.

Thank you. I honestly (and not a bad thing) don't think most of them are reading everything. I just think they feel they are repeating themselves because it's hard to find positivity in differences and even if they cannot, it's hard to talk about it with a straight face (or text?).

Yes, though. I'm very passionate about, what is that word for equal rights and respect for all, egalitarian? In our history books, US is becoming my least favorite friend at the moment. I'm sure Bahai faith can still hold it's greater and lesser peace without combining prophets (and making gods into prophets) to do so. We can see similarities without needing to combine even the prophets that don't believe in god with that One God.

What can I say? I took a long nap, have to wake in the morning, but wide awake.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Every great

Why do we need a "civil" law when the All-knowing God sent his manifestations to all people to give them God's Law? Did the nation of Israel under King David have civil laws to go with God's Law?

To look after the few that do not accept Gods Law.

Regards Tony

 

[Dawnofhope]

Yes, I've always though of Baha'i' s as an offshoot of Islam, although they vehemently deny it. Time and place itself its a pretty good indicator.

I doubt if too many Baha'is would deny the Islamic roots from which their faith emerged, just as few Christians would deny the Jewish roots of Christianity. In the early days of Christianity, many would have been seen it as a sect of Judaism, though few would deny Christianity being an independent religion today. I would argue there is a parallel between Islam/Baha'i and Judaism/Christianity.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

So China had no known manifestation? None of their great teachers were from God?

If it had, i would think it must have been pre-historic.

 

[RoaringSilence]

Genghis Khan Temple - Picture of Genghis Khan Temple, Ulanhot - TripAdvisor

 

[RoaringSilence]

Almighty Truest mirror Image of un-manifested Lord Genghis Khan,
Slayer of Land grabbers , Teacher of real peace to the religion of peace.
Mausoleum of Genghis Khan - Wikipedia

 

[Vinayaka]

Why is it that grade 1 Children grasp the concept and embrace the Oneness with such enthusiasm?

Regards Tony

Grade 1 children will embrace all kinds of things, like puppetry, etc. They're very susceptible to suggestion, and are about 5 years before the formal thought stage of development.

 

[Vinayaka]

I doubt if too many Baha'is would deny the Islamic roots from which their faith emerged, just as few Christians would deny the Jewish roots of Christianity. In the early days of Christianity, many would have been seen it as a sect of Judaism, though few would deny Christianity being an independent religion today. I would argue there is a parallel between Islam/Baha'i and Judaism/Christianity.

Not you personally, no. But it's happened on this thread form others. Not that any of that really matters. For me it just reinforces the folly of generalizing people of one sect/denomination as all thinking the same.

 

[Vinayaka]

Well, when I was hanging around the Baha'is in the 70's, each district would elect a delegate to go to a National Convention to elect the nine people, women included, to serve on the National Spiritual Assembly. I think it might be the National Assemblies that elect the men to serve on the UHJ.

I knew one lady that was elected every year to be a delegate. So I don't think it's a perfect system. She'd been there before. Lots of people knew her, so she got enough votes year after year. I don't know, but I might suspect that the same people get voted in a lot.

So by this, it seems that its not at all rep by pop. So a small district of 15 people get to send a representative, but a large district of 300 also gets to just send one delegate?

 

[Vinayaka]

They're obligated to read and answer everyone.

But they don't. That's obvious. If I went back, I'm guessing I could find 10 questions left unanswered.