Was Adolf ****ler the Antichrist?

[DavidFirth]

Does the RCC have an idea of who the antichrist is? (I know that a few denominations consider them to be the antichrist or the beast or both. Maybe even the harlot riding the beast.)

The anti-Christ is exactly who he is purported to be in Revelations. He will rule the world and be filled with the spirit of Satan. He will be evil incarnate.

 

[Samael_Khan]

It's more of a what rather than a definite who, like I pointed out in my post above.

Who cares what anti-Catholic groups think. The harlot was referring to pagan Rome.

Thanks for the previous post. That clears it up for me.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That entire post is pretty much BS.

Lol. I think I know more about what Catholicism thinks on the matter than you do, since I converted a decade ago and had to do a lot of studying. But you believe what you please. However, I'll point out when you're wrong about what the Church believes.

 

[Samael_Khan]

The anti-Christ is exactly who he is purported to be in Revelations. He will rule the world and be filled with the spirit of Satan. He will be evil incarnate.

But what about the scriptures where direct reference is made to the antichrist? Would those not be indicating that the antichrist is many people? Who would you consider the antichrist to be in revelation? And also what character in revelations is the antichrist in your understanding?

 

[DavidFirth]

Lol. I think I know more about what Catholicism thinks on the matter than you do, since I converted a decade ago and had to do a lot of studying. But you believe what you please. However, I'll point out when you're wrong about what the Church believes.

I don't know anyone who believes the stuff you posted. And I know a lot of Catholics. Nero as the anti-Christ in Revelations is wrong on many levels.

"The Church" doesn't all believe exactly the same things. Different people have their own perspective about things just like people in the Vatican do.

 

[DavidFirth]

But what about the scriptures where direct reference is made to the antichrist? Would those not be indicating that the antichrist is many people? Who would you consider the antichrist to be in revelation? And also what character in revelations is the antichrist in your understanding?

All of that is self-explanatory if you just read Revelations and concentrate on who the anti-Christ is.

No one need explain it to you.

 

[Samael_Khan]

That entire post is pretty much BS.

Do you have any references that state that Saint Frankenstein's understanding of what the RCC believes is wrong that you can share with us?

 

[DavidFirth]

Do you have any references that state that Saint Frankenstein's understanding of what the RCC believes is wrong that you can share with us?

Personal experience.

It is rather on him to prove what he is saying is reality.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't know anyone who believes the stuff you posted. And I know a lot of Catholics. Nero as the anti-Christ in Revelations is wrong on many levels.

"The Church" doesn't all believe exactly the same things. Different people have their own perspective about things just like people in the Vatican do.

Sure, Catholics may have different views on it but they don't necessarily line up with what the scholars and theologians teach about it. A lot of Catholics don't even know what the Church teaches, especially cradle Catholics.

The Catechism on the End Times

If you'll notice, the Catechism rebukes the belief of millenialism in both religious and secular forms. The anti-Christ is not referred to as a singular person there, either.

 

[DavidFirth]

Sure, Catholics may have different views on it but they don't necessarily line up with what the scholars and theologians teach about it. A lot of Catholics don't even know what the Church teaches, especially cradle Catholics.

The Catechism on the End Times

Note that material is not dated. When was that first published?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Note that material is not dated. When was that first published?

It's from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - "From thence He will come again to judge the living and the dead"

 

[Samael_Khan]

Personal experience.

It is rather on him to prove what he is saying is reality.

OK. I'll wait and see what references crop up then.

 

[DavidFirth]

It's from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - "From thence He will come again to judge the living and the dead"

That doesn't back what you were saying. I don't see anywhere in there where it says Nero was the anti-Christ or that the anti-Christ has already come.

The entire passage contradicts what you have been saying.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I also don't see where that is considered RCC dogma.

The Catechism is the official teaching of the Catholic Church, man!

 

[DavidFirth]

The Catechism is the official teaching of the Catholic Church, man!

It also contradicts what you have been saying, man.

 

[Samael_Khan]

All of that is self-explanatory if you just read Revelations and concentrate on who the anti-Christ is.

No one need explain it to you.

I have read Revelations. And I see someone as clearly in opposition to Christ. Actually a few characters, such as the Harlot, The beast and the Dragon. But based on explicit statements by John in 1 And 2 John I would take the antichrist to refer to many people. With the main opposition in Revelation being the ringleader so to speak. the main antichrist. I cannot divorce the understanding of who the antichrist is from the explicit statements mentioning the antichrist.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That doesn't back what you were saying. I don't see anywhere in there where it says Nero was the anti-Christ or that the anti-Christ has already come.

I said that the anti-Christ is not a singular person, in the Church's understanding. It's a tendency of sorts that is contrary to the Gospel. It stems from the error in belief that man is greater than God. The ancient Christians opposed the Roman Emperors because they were viewed as presenting themselves as above God (hubris). The main target of the Book of Revelation was the system of pagan Rome. It's like how Babylon was the target of the poetic screed in Isaiah 14.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It also contradicts what you have been saying, man.

No, it doesn't. Not if you know how to generally interpret things and how it falls together. I explained that in my post above.

 

[DavidFirth]

I have read Revelations. And I see someone as clearly in opposition to Christ. Actually a few characters, such as the Harlot, The beast and the Dragon. But based on explicit statements by John in 1 And 2 John I would take the antichrist to refer to many people. With the main opposition in Revelation being the ringleader so to speak. the main antichrist. I cannot divorce the understanding of who the antichrist is from the explicit statements mentioning the antichrist.

Prayer and more study is needed and advised. God will reveal the truth to you in the Holy Spirit. Just pray and believe, trusting in God with your faith to reveal the truth to you.

Either believe scripture or believe what God Himself reveals to you as truth. Never trust any man. Always check what men say against God's word.

 

[DavidFirth]

I said that the anti-Christ is not a singular person, in the Church's understanding. It's a tendency of sorts that is contrary to the Gospel. It stems from the error in belief that man is greater than God. The ancient Christians opposed the Roman Emperors because they were viewed as presenting themselves as above God (hubris). The main target of the Book of Revelation was the system of pagan Rome. It's like how Babylon was the target of the poetic screed in Isaiah 14.

No, you're wrong. That's what you think and what whoever wrote your commentary thinks. They're just flat wrong and so are you.

Pray and study Revelations. Don't trust what any man says about it.