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god's plan?
- Thread starter syo
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It's not a phrase used in my tradition. I think it's some sort of Christian thing... perhaps of a specific denomination as well.
syo
Well-Known Member
yes, it's christians they use it. but orthodox christianity which I 'm familiar doesn't use it.
Ephesians 1:11 All things are done according to God's plan and decision; and God chose us to be his own people in union with Christ because of his own purpose, based on what he had decided from the very beginning. GNT
Basically Paul's idea is that through Christ's murder, we're no longer under the Law; everyone has free grace if they accept jesus died for them.
It isn't really God's plan tho, the real plan is also in the Biblical text; that it is a Snare to see who the Bloodthirsty Law breakers are.
syo
Well-Known Member
ah I see. Thank YouEphesians 1:11 All things are done according to God's plan and decision; and God chose us to be his own people in union with Christ because of his own purpose, based on what he had decided from the very beginning. GNT
Basically Paul's idea is that through Christ's murder, we're no longer under the Law; everyone has free grace if they accept jesus died for them.
It isn't really God's plan tho, the real plan is also in the Biblical text; that it is a Snare to see who the Bloodthirsty Law breakers are.
syo
Well-Known Member
you mean if the fall of adam and eve was god's plan? because we sin because of the fall.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
But that really doesn't answer the question but only pushed it back. So, let me ask it this way: Did God plan Adam and Eve to sin?
Reminds me of a joke:
Adam was bored, so he asked God to help him out, so He created Eve. However, after a few days of hearing Eve talk and talk some more, Adam went to God and said he still was bored.
God flashed Adam a wink and said "Adam, go forth and multiply".
Adam came back a couple of hours later and said "Lord, what's a 'headache'?".
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
Just make something up, that is what everyone else does.
Your question presumes there is something called 'sin'. 'sin' and 'virtue' are polarities in the realm of duality and from the point of view of some systems only part of illusion.
MonkeyFire
Well-Known Member
Use his prowless of faith, and the power that is his as he is LOVE.
I think it tries to explain something that doesn't make sense, or tries to give hope when seemingly there is none. But it turns God into a micro-manager and puppet master.
I think it is more accurate to speak of God's purpose rather than plan. His purpose for mankind was stated to Adam after God created him: "God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth." (Genesis 1:28) I believe Adam and Eve were created perfect, with the prospect of living forever to see God's purpose for them accomplished. Satan, Adam, and Eve rebelled against God, but Jehovah's purpose has not changed, IMO. Ephesians 1:9,10 assures us that "It is according to his good pleasure that he himself purposed for an administration at the full limit of the appointed times, to gather all things together in the Christ, the things in the heavens and the things on the earth." Obedient humans will live forever on a paradise earth, under the administration of God's kingdom with Christ as King in the heavens. Thus, I believe all things will be gathered together in the Christ, fulfilling What God purposed in Eden.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
"Sin" means "to miss the mark", and heaven knows I've done that many, many times. Where the conjecture comes in is what is the "mark" and how was the "mark" established as such? If my wife sets the "mark", I sin all the time.
God foresaw every action, warned the outcome; is it God's choice?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
With this concept, God programs people to sin, therefore we should be putting God on trial.God foresaw every action, warned the outcome; is it God's choice?
BTW, how is it that you supposedly know that "God foresaw every action"?
Because God created time, which means it most likely knows the beginning to the end.
It is possible to program people to sin.... Like with Yeshua being like the apple: we're told how to follow the Law, and what is acceptable; then along comes the snake whispering, telling us we can have eternal life by just taking the apple without permission.
Why would we put God on trial, if God hasn't made any illegal actions; it has just provided the framework for us to commit our own crimes?
Sort of like what happens at a drug bust, and saying let sentence the drug officers, for encouraging drug trafficking.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Frankly, I don't think anyone can speak for God, assuming that God as you picture Him actually exists. [see my signature statement at the bottom of my posts for clarification as to where I'm coming from on this]Because God created time, which means it most likely knows the beginning to the end.
It is possible to program people to sin.... Like with Yeshua being like the apple: we're told how to follow the Law, and what is acceptable; then along comes the snake whispering, telling us we can have eternal life by just taking the apple without permission.
Why would we put God on trial, if God hasn't made any illegal actions; it has just provided the framework for us to commit our own crimes?
Sort of like what happens at a drug bust, and saying let sentence the drug officers, for encouraging drug trafficking.