Why do you think the Jews rejected Jesus?

[Tumah]

Isa 53.

Funny.

 

[Flankerl]

We didn't have a thread like this in quite some time.

Funny how they always pop up when some Christian holiday draws near.


Well I guess its better than being raped and murdered by a Christian mob.

 

[omega2xx]

I would be interested to hear how someone whose birth was supposedly marked by a new star in the heavens and proclamations of angels, and whose baptism was supposedly praised by the voice of God himself satisfied this:<<

Isa 53 is a prophecy of the crucifixion and what it accomplished.
Isa 52:13---Jesus came as a bondservant(Phil 2:7)

Isa 53:5. Jesus was pierced and scourged. He suffered his to pay for our sins. That is basic Christian doctrine. 53:8: He was cut off from the living---Jesus died during His crucifixion.

The rest of it strikes me as a combination of unremarkable "predictions" that could be fulfilled by many people or small details that could be added to the story by any careful author who knew Isaiah.

Actually they couldn't be. The Levitical sacrifice had to have an animal without blemish. Only Jesus did not sin.

 

[columbus]

The Levitical sacrifice had to have an animal without blemish. Only Jesus did not sin.

That. Or the more plausible explanation, the Gospel authors left out most of Jesus's life to provide that illusion.
They did leave out the large majority of the Jesus story. That is a fact. Why they did is up for interpretation.
Tom
ETA ~ @omega2xx

 

[roger1440]

Isa 53. It is doubtful you will accept that one or any one, so I am not going into any detail as to how he fulfilled it.

You need to do some study on the second coming of Christ.

I don’t claim to be all that good at math but shouldn’t there be a first coming before the second?

 

[omega2xx]

That. Or the more plausible explanation, the Gospel authors left out most of Jesus's life to provide that illusion.

A still more likely story is your opinion comes from your bias, not from any facts.

They did leave out the large majority of the Jesus story. That is a fact. Why they did is up for interpretation.
Tom
ETA ~ @omega2xx

And you don't have a valid interpretation do you?

 

[omega2xx]

I don’t claim to be all that good at math but shouldn’t there be a first coming before the second?

Jn 1:8 - He was not the Light but came to testify about the Light.
Jn 8:12 - I am the Light of the world,
Jn 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as the only begotten from the
Father, full of grace and truth.
Jn 1:29 - The next day he saw Jesus coming and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
Phil 28 - Being found in the appearance of man...

Do you really not understand the incarnation?

 

[roger1440]

Do you really not understand the incarnation?

עִמָּנוּאֵל

 

[roger1440]

Do you really not understand the incarnation?

God is with us when we do the will of God. He will guide us, provide for us, protect us and save us from our enemies. This is the message from both the Gospels and Jewish scripture. They both use poetry to convey their message. The main difference between the two is the type of poetry being used.

 

[RESOLUTION]

We're all Elohim (Psalms 82:6)...

Yet take into account Elohim is a plural, and are physically seen in human/angelic form in the Bible....

'Sons of the Gods' is 'Bene HaElohim', 'sons of the angels'.

Did you google.... You see John and Christ showed a truth people fail to recognise.

ing James Bible
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.


King James Bible
They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

To be a son or a child of God, you would do the works God did. Jesus did his Fathers work and Abraham and John did their Fathers work.
Being a Son of God is about doing the will of God.

So the beings at the beginning of the Bible, makes more sense to me, if they''re viewed that these are representations of the divine in a form.

To me the ultimate God Most High (El Elyon) is without form, and doesn't ever appear in a physical state.

God made man in 'our image'.


King James Bible
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
JPS Tanakh 1917
And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.'

Living beings....

Yeshua challenged the Pharisees for murdering the prophets as atoning sacrifices in Matthew 23:27-38, Mark 7:1-13, and the Parable of the Wicked Husbandman (Matthew 21:33-46, Mark 12:1-12, and Luke 20:9-19).

He came unto his own and his own received him not. In truth the Jews rejected the Prophets because they did not tell them what they wanted to hear. Do you not see your own self reflected in
the same way. Rejecting the truth for your own accepted version of what God is telling us?

Not sure why that was even a question, the text says it, so that is what is commonly accepted.

So Christ did fit prophecies about the Messiah.

These differences exists, as Pharisees have lots of made up oral traditions, which the Sadducees didn't have.

Mine is based on first hand knowledge, and then systematically questioning all religions globally to see if it adds up.

Where as mine comes from God and his Word. King James Bible
I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.

 

[wizanda]

God made man in 'our image'.

It says Elohim (plural) made man in their image... God (singular) is beyond a form or a concept of a soul....We're like angels, nothing like God from my own first hand experience (NDE).

Do you not see your own self reflected in the same way.

Yes clearly, was sent from Heaven to explain things, and people reject what I've been sent with, to follow their traditions passed down.

Rejecting the truth for your own accepted version of what God is telling us?

I'm completely open to being shown a better comprehension of the texts; yet so far based on what prophecy stated, most of it adds up clearly....

Whereas can show many flaws in the Pharisaic thinking that has created Christianity (John, Paul and Simon), Islam, and Rabbinic Judaism.

So Christ did fit prophecies about the Messiah.

Yes clearly so, it has to be him based on the criteria happening because of him, 2nd temple destruction, the Abomination of Desolation, the Diaspora, laying a Snare (Great Deception) across the world, and Israel/Judah divorced God because of their own choice for 30 pieces of silver, etc.

Where as mine comes from God and his Word. King James Bible

The same, use Esword Bible software to study, as can then check every word, and understand the prophets.

 

[Brickjectivity]

We didn't have a thread like this in quite some time.

Funny how they always pop up when some Christian holiday draws near.


Well I guess its better than being raped and murdered by a Christian mob.

Do you see Christian mobs as an occasional bear in the woods?

 

[viole]

Why do you think the Jews rejected Jesus? The new testament seems to suggest the jews who rejected Jesus were just arrogant but i'm not sure I buy that.

Obvious. They were there when everything allegedely happened.

Ciao

- ciole

 

[Lorgar-Aurelian]

We didn't have a thread like this in quite some time.

Funny how they always pop up when some Christian holiday draws near.


Well I guess its better than being raped and murdered by a Christian mob.

Well I was reading "Why the jews rejected Jesus." So you know.
Wait Christian mobs?

 

[omega2xx]

עִמָּנוּאֵל

Evidently you don't.

 

[omega2xx]

God is with us when we do the will of God. He will guide us, provide for us, protect us and save us from our enemies. This is the message from both the Gospels and Jewish scripture. They both use poetry to convey their message. The main difference between the two is the type of poetry being used.

Nothing you said is about the incarnation and it certainly isn't poetry.

 

[roger1440]

Nothing you said is about the incarnation and it certainly isn't poetry.

Ok, nothing in the Bible is poetry. All of it should be taken literal. Jesus was born of a virgin. He raised people from the dead, walked on water, turned water into wine and he himself rose from the dead. How do you explain no one wrote about any of this during his life time?

 

[Dawnofhope]

Ok, nothing in the Bible is poetry. All of it should be taken literal. Jesus was born of a virgin. He raised people from the dead, walked on water, turned water into wine and he himself rose from the dead. How do you explain no one wrote about any of this during his life time?

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Because much of it probably never happened literally. Its great allegory and symbolism though.

The resurrection with an ascension through the stratosphere to literally sit at the right side of God makes no sense, even considering an Omnipotent, All-powerful God. However the story helps us understand about the spiritual nature of our lives and life after death.

Walking on water is an allegory for rising above our lower nature (ego and desire) and walking the spiritual path (love, truth, justice).

Turning water into wine speaks of the potency of God's word to transform hearts and lives.

Raising people from the dead means through Christ's teachings we can have spiritual life.

The virgin birth helps us understand the sanctified nature of Jesus.

 

[columbus]

How do you explain no one wrote about any of this during his life time?

Or any of the other events in the Gospels.
Like the Star of Bethlehem or the Slaughter of the Innocents. Or the Passover Eve that combined a solar eclipse with an earthquake that damaged the Temple. Or the crowds that saw the Risen Christ.
Can you really imagine a perfectly sinless Jew, son of a sinless Mother, being rejected by His hometown? More likely, they just knew more about Him than made the cut in the Legend of the Christ.
Tom

 

[omega2xx]

Ok, nothing in the Bible is poetry. All of it should be taken literal. Jesus was born of a virgin. He raised people from the dead, walked on water, turned water into wine and he himself rose from the dead. How do you explain no one wrote about any of this during his life time?
At least learn to quote correctly. I did not say there was no poetry in the Bible and I certainly did not say it is all literal. What makes you think when something is written determines if it is true. That is a silly argument.

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Erhman is an ultra liberal theologian who makes outlandish statements about Jesus and the Bible but NEVER provides any evidence for what he says. He wouldn't recognize the truth if it bit him on his butt.

Josephus and a Roman historian, Ticitus(sp) both mention Jesus. So Erhman is wrong about even a simple thing like that. If you want to put your faith in Erhman, good luck, you will need it.