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A Challenge To All Creationists

Jose Fly

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
Reggie Miller said:
Have you ever met a man incapable of telling a lie?
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Another dodged question. Again, are you arguing that dishonest behavior by some members of a group is indicative of the entire group over all time?

And you also dodged the primary question I asked. You claimed that "Lucy was a fake in that a baboon bone was inserted into the skeleton in an attempt to make it look more "human" ", and I asked where you got that from and for you to show some support for this rather serious accusation.

Or are you another creationist who feels they can just throw around accusations against people but feel no moral obligation to back any of them up?
 
Reggie Miller

Reggie Miller

Well-Known Member
Jose Fly said:
Another dodged question. Again, are you arguing that dishonest behavior by some members of a group is indicative of the entire group over all time?

And you also dodged the primary question I asked. You claimed that "Lucy was a fake in that a baboon bone was inserted into the skeleton in an attempt to make it look more "human" ", and I asked where you got that from and for you to show some support for this rather serious accusation.

Or are you another creationist who feels they can just throw around accusations against people but feel no moral obligation to back any of them up?
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If you don't know the whole Lucy story then you have no need being in this conversation. Study up on it.
 
Jose Fly

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
Reggie Miller said:
If you don't know the whole Lucy story then you have no need being in this conversation. Study up on it.
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Really? So you accuse scientists of deliberate fraud, but when asked to substantiate that accusation you tell others to "study up on it".

Do you appreciate just how disgusting and dishonest your behavior is here? Do you understand just how poorly you're representing your faith?
 
McBell

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Reggie Miller said:
If you don't know the whole Lucy story then you have no need being in this conversation. Study up on it.
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Does this mean you are going to hold to your standard not going to support my claims procedure?

Not that it will come as any surprise.
 
McBell

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Jose Fly said:
Really? So you accuse scientists of deliberate fraud, but when asked to substantiate that accusation you tell others to "study up on it".

Do you appreciate just how disgusting and dishonest your behavior is here? Do you understand just how poorly you're representing your faith?
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I suspect he is not actually a Christian but only claims the title in order to drive people away from Jesus.

His plan is most diabolical in that he is succeeding quite well.
 
Jose Fly

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
Mestemia said:
I suspect he is not actually a Christian but only claims the title in order to drive people away from Jesus.

His plan is most diabolical in that he is succeeding quite well.
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I keep wondering if it's even possible to advocate creationism honestly. Given that I've yet to encounter an honest creationist, at this point I'd have to say it isn't.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Reggie Miller said:
If you don't know the whole Lucy story then you have no need being in this conversation. Study up on it.
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Anyone who knows anything about Australopithecus afarensis knows that it is not fraudulent, as you are claiming. If you disagree and think we're missing something, perhaps you could direct us to something that backs up your claims. Otherwise, I see no reason to address them, especially given that you keep dodging everyone's questions.
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
Reggie Miller said:
If you don't know the whole Lucy story then you have no need being in this conversation. Study up on it.
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You have made claim, but now you are avoiding direct question and request to back up the claim.

If you are going to back up your claim, why did you bother to bring this up in the first place, Reggie?

You were the one who brought up the baboon bone being inserted with Lucy's skeletal remains.

This exactly what Jose Fly mean about "you" being dishonest. When ask to present scientific sources or evidences, you backpedals, evading and denying responsibility for the point you have just made.

By the way, Lucy is an Australopithecus.

There is a group of Australopithecus afarensis, which is the same species as that of Lucy, found in different location to Lucy, but near the exact same village Hadar, known as the "First Family" or AL 333.

No baboon bones were identified with at least 13 individuals (could be as many as 17 individuals) they had found with AL 333.

And do you think Lucy is the only Australopithecus afarensis in Ethiopia being examined by biologists?
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
Reggie Miller said:
Meet God. He is most holy and He loves you.
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He love people so much that he is willing to judge those who don't believe in him or in Jesus, will suffer eternal torment.

That's not love, that's sadism, the pleasure he would get in inflicting pains. This Christian God is even sicker than OT God and OT Satan.

And if you believe in the Revelation to be literal prophecies of what to come, then God will be the one bringing the end of the world and prolong suffering to billions of people, Earth will be the living in hell, with the coming of 7 trumpets, 7 seals, 4 horsemen, where only 144,000 people are saved.

Beside that, you wrote:
Reggie Miller said:
Have you ever met a man incapable of telling a lie?

Meet God. He is most holy and He loves you.
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Are you saying God is a man?
 
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savagewind

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Just so you know, 144,000 is not the number who are saved. It is the number (perhaps not a definite number, but a riddle) of the people who are from the very beginning, chosen to rule with him.

Rule over what? Everything else.
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
savagewind said:
Just so you know, 144,000 is not the number who are saved. It is the number (perhaps not a definite number, but a riddle) of the people who are from the very beginning, chosen to rule with him.
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Granted. The whole of Revelation was written in metaphoric or symbolic contexts, so it could have any types of meanings. It could have any number of interpretations.

Some Christians would see it being "literal", while other Christians wouldn't.

Personally, I think Revelation is a piece of garbage, where the author could be high on magic mushrooms or other hallucinogenic substances.

Over the centuries and millennia, people have been trying to decode it and make sense of, but all they managed to do, is make bloody fools of themselves when their "End is neigh" interpretations have shown to be wrong.

Whether 144,000 be the literal people of the 12 tribes of Israel or something else entirely, it doesn't matter, because any interpretation could be or most likely be wrong. Especially since 10 of those tribes have disappeared.
 
Reggie Miller

Reggie Miller

Well-Known Member
Shad said:
Read the first link, the bone does nothing to upset the models based on Lucy. Try again son.
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I already told you I'm not your son. Not hardly.

Lucy was presented as a hoax and an outright lie. You cannot deny the truth, PERSON WHO IS NOT MY FATHER.
 
jonathan180iq

jonathan180iq

Well-Known Member
Reggie Miller said:
Welcome to 6000years.org | Amazing Bible Discoveries | Proof the Bible is True

Donald Johanson: Was Lucy a Hoax?
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From your own citations:

"Australopithecus afarensis is one of the most attested species in the fossil record. Hundreds of fossils have been found. Evidence of its bipedality is extensive, including its pelvis, the position of its sacrum, the angle from the femur to the knee, the connections for knee extensors on its leg bones, and the location of its big toe..."

Odd that you would cite such a reference as evidence that "Lucy is a fraud!".

Being upset about one person writing incorrect information about one joint does nothing at all to strengthen your case. It has nothing at all to do with the vast amounts of information gained since that period, and it only focuses on the failings of one individual. It also does nothing to address the current state of understanding, which is the fault with your first citation...
(Also, it took me less than 10 minutes to refute some of the date claims in this article.)

That first page linked to seems to have problems with very antiquated ideas that are held nowhere in the modern understanding of Evolutionary Biology. They rail against sketches (that they have not sourced) as if Evolutionary study relies on someone's doodle to draw conclusions.

Their very first example is Piltdown man, a forgery that was realized more than 100 years ago and was never a substantial part of the study of our evolutionary ancestry - and that's just within the first two paragraphs.

Is the weight of your opinion on this topic really reliant on just these two non-scientific articles?


In Rebuttal:
Australopithecus ramidus, a new species of early hominid from Aramis, Ethiopia. - ProQuest

A Century of Nature

Australopithecus garhi: A New Species of Early Hominid from Ethiopia | Science

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.1330600302/full

Lucy's limbs: skeletal allometry and locomotion in Australopithecus afarensis

The first skull and other new discoveries of Australopithecus afarensis at Hadar, Ethiopia. - ProQuest

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0047248404000508

 
Reggie Miller

Reggie Miller

Well-Known Member
metis said:
Neither are scientific sites, and when we deal with science we need to deal with real science (especially peer reviewed) minus "alternative science".
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Nevertheless the links are true and real, whether you are willing to accept them or not.
 
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