"Spiritual Satanism is Mankind's Original & Only Religion" ?

[Electus de Lumine]

Because I'm concerned with facts and don't want my religion slandered or misrepresented. Talientia knows quite well how I feel about their beliefs. It's not like we've never talked before, not that it's any of your business. Also, I can hardly care about what you think of me, of all people.

To which source do you take your interpretation of the Greek gods? Did the first of the gods come from Khaos? What is the story of the origin of Dionysus? Do you believe in the world serpent?

Not entirely. Zoroastrianism has it's roots in ancient Iranian culture, which is Middle Eastern. A culture that grew from the Indo-Iranian peoples, who came from the Proto-Iranian peoples, who were an offshoot of the Proto-IndoEuropean peoples. However the Proto-Iranian culture is not similar at all with the Canaanite people, who were Afroasiatic. Judaism thus did not come from PIE roots, but Afroasiatic. The only "influence" that could really be argued, I think, is that of monotheism.

Monotheism, light veneration, ideas of truth vs deception, the idea of intermediates between the two strongest powers and humans, lots of ideas really.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

...light veneration, ideas of truth vs deception, the idea of intermediates between the two strongest powers and humans, lots of ideas really.

Can you show these examples in Judaism?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

To which source do you take your interpretation of the Greek gods? Did the first of the gods come from Khaos? What is the story of the origin of Dionysus? Do you believe in the world serpent?

Classical studies and sites like the one in my signature form the basis of my information. I'm influenced by Orphism but I wouldn't identify as one. As for a world serpent, I don't know. I'm not all that big into theology at the moment, but am more focused on nurturing devotion and love towards the Gods and being a better person.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Does Greek myth even have a world serpent?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Does Greek myth even have a world serpent?

Ophion - Wikipedia

That's part of one cosmological story of the Greeks. There's many.

 

[Electus de Lumine]

Can you show these examples in Judaism?

Do you wish for Hebrew, English, or both?

 

[Electus de Lumine]

Classical studies and sites like the one in my signature form the basis of my information. I'm influenced by Orphism but I wouldn't identify as one. As for a world serpent, I don't know. I'm not all that big into theology at the moment, but am more focused on nurturing devotion and love towards the Gods and being a better person.

My point being that if you are unsure about the nature of your deities then you should not automatically be adverse to opinions you dislike. Granted the opinions given by this person are rather offensive and ludicrous.

After all if your deities being called satanic offends you, how do you think I like the notion that my deity is a racist nazi?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Ophion - Wikipedia

That's part of one cosmological story of the Greeks. There's many.

I thought I knew Greek stuff, then I took a course in it. Finding out that there were more than 12 trials of Herakles blew my mind. Thanks!

Do you wish for Hebrew, English, or both?

English; I don't speak Hebrew. I'm just unaware of Jews venerating light, or viewing a dichotomy of good and evil, etc.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

My point being that if you are unsure about the nature of your deities then you should not automatically be adverse to opinions you dislike. Granted the opinions given by this person are rather offensive and ludicrous.

After all if your deities being called satanic offends you, how do you think I like the notion that my deity is a racist nazi?

Excuse me, but not dismissing out of hand the claims of a neo-Nazi cult that worships Nazi aliens and claims that these aliens are actually my Gods is a bridge too far. You're being ludicrous. Don't play the "tolerance" card with me. Tolerance doesn't extend to things that are blatantly false.

Also, where did I say I was unsure of the nature of my deities? I've discussed that elsewhere.

 

[Electus de Lumine]

English; I don't speak Hebrew. I'm just unaware of Jews venerating light, or viewing a dichotomy of good and evil, etc.

Psalm 27:1 The LORD is my light and my salvation— whom shall I fear? The LORD is the stronghold of my life— of whom shall I be afraid?

Isiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

Deuteronomy 30:15 I have set before you today life and good, death and evil.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Hmm, I was more hoping for English examples from the Torah. You do know that the Old Testament of the bible is a poor adaptation of Jewish culture and lore, right?

Those are also pretty... reaching. But, can you show that they came from Zoroastrianism specifically?

 

[Electus de Lumine]

Excuse me, but not dismissing out of hand the claims of a neo-Nazi cult that worships Nazi aliens and claims that these aliens are actually my Gods is a bridge too far. You're being ludicrous. Don't play the "tolerance" card with me. Tolerance doesn't extend to things that are blatantly false.

Also, where did I say I was unsure of the nature of my deities? I've discussed that elsewhere.

A group's morality or lack thereof does not make their claim to non-moral knowledge any more or less valid.

And to many your claims could be considered blatantly false as could mine, analysis and experiences is how we can tell. I am not arguing that we should tolerate the beleif, I am arguing to actually debunk the beleif.

You implied you where unsure of your deities' natures in your previous response.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

And to many your claims could be considered blatantly false as could mine,

Not if they're backed by demonstrable archaeological or anthropologic evidence.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

A group's morality or lack thereof does not make their claim to non-moral knowledge any more or less valid.

And I'm not ignorant of this group and their beliefs. I already know it's wrong.

And to many your claims could be considered blatantly false as could mine, analysis and experiences is how we can tell. I am not arguing that we should tolerate the beleif, I am arguing to actually debunk the beleif.

Then go ahead and do it.

You implied you where unsure of your deities' natures in your previous response.

I don't see how.

 

[Electus de Lumine]

Hmm, I was more hoping for English examples from the Torah. You do know that the Old Testament of the bible is a poor adaptation of Jewish culture and lore, right?

Those are also pretty... reaching. But, can you show that they came from Zoroastrianism specifically?

The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? The Lord is the stronghold of my life; from whom shall I be frightened?

אלְדָוִד | יְהֹוָה | אוֹרִי וְיִשְׁעִי מִמִּי אִירָא יְהֹוָה מָעוֹז חַיַּי מִמִּי אֶפְחָד:

Woe to those who say of the evil that it is good and of the good that it is evil; who present darkness as light and light as darkness, who present bitter as sweet and sweet as bitter.

כהוֹי הָאֹמְרִים לָרַע טוֹב וְלַטּוֹב רָע שָׂמִים חֹשֶׁךְ לְאוֹר וְאוֹר לְחֹשֶׁךְ שָׂמִים מַר לְמָתוֹק וּמָתוֹק לְמָר:

I do not feel like searching up a dozen more verses espousing the same things just for you to call something that sets up a direct dichotomy of good-evil and light-darkness as well as a verse that compares their deity to light only for you to say it is reaching.

And I definitely do not want to pay roughly $30 or more a piece to access peer reviewed archaeological papers on the subject and I doubt you would want to pat to access them either.

Suffice to say they where in the right place and the right time to influence Judaism and that is information you can easily find via a quick google search.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

And I definitely do not want to pay roughly $30 or more a piece to access peer reviewed archaeological papers on the subject and I doubt you would want to pat to access them either.

Suffice to say they where in the right place and the right time to influence Judaism and that is information you can easily find via a quick google search.

Only I'm not asking you to pay for something. Nor do I wish to Google this; you said that there was a link, so I assume you know this link. I want to hear what you know, not what Google can find.

 

[Electus de Lumine]

I don't see how.

Classical studies and sites like the one in my signature form the basis of my information. I'm influenced by Orphism but I wouldn't identify as one. As for a world serpent, I don't know. I'm not all that big into theology at the moment, but am more focused on nurturing devotion and love towards the Gods and being a better person.

^
Speaks for itself.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

^
Speaks for itself.

Not really.

 

[Electus de Lumine]

Only I'm not asking you to pay for something. Nor do I wish to Google this; you said that there was a link, so I assume you know this link. I want to hear what you know, not what Google can find.

Zoroastrians where around just before Judaism made it's shift to monotheism and that is where we find all of these practices that are also done by Zoroastrians that where not done before hand that we can tell.

 

[Electus de Lumine]

Not really.

Okay I am done then.

If you cannot look at that and admit that you said yourself you are uncertain I see no point in discussing it further with you.