Tumah
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I understand why you feel this way, but you have to realize that when the verse uses specific phraseology that matches the phraseology it used in prophecy, its expressing intent. Its telling the reader to consider that verse as the fulfillment of the prophecy.I am not ignoring anything, but for you to take one point in his life, and ignore the other points; that is the problem.
Were that not so, we wouldn't have needed the fulfillment verse: Ishmael had already lived with Isaac from the time he was born, until he was removed from the premises, so the prophecy wouldn't have added new information.
The verse says he would live on the face of his brothers. Isaac is one brother who lived in Cana'an. The sons of Keturah are six that lived in the Arabian peninsula. Although Ishmael probably did live in Cana'an for a time, living near Isaac wouldn't have fulfilled the plural language of the prophecy. Living with the sons of Keturah would.
The fulfillment verse puts Ishmael to the south of Cana'an. Living in proximity to Cana'an wouldn't be considered living near Isaac, because Isaac's family didn't hold Cana'an. It would put him right among the area settled by the sons of Keturah.
It doesn't say "living near" and it doesn't say "his brother". It says "on the face of" and it says "his brothers".Why I mentioned Abraham?.. for number of reasons, one that Isaac and Abraham lived together, anyone is living near Abraham would be living near Isaac,
I don't understand what you are saying here. The verse says Abraham had 6 sons. Just because we don't see communication between them, doesn't mean they don't exist. It just means that there is nothing of value to be learned from any communication that may have occurred. And the verse says he had six sons...second, Abraham -you Believed to have sons from Katureh- and Ishmael is dwelling with them. but those sons never visited Abraham, nor he visited them, or he asked Ishmael about them; that means they didn't exist, which puts your claim that Ismael dwelled with the sons of Katureh at odd.
In a later chapter - as I pointed out - it goes so far as to call Midianites as Ishmaelites. Midian is one of the 6 sons. This would be a very odd thing if Ishmael and Midian had nothing to do with each other.