if God were real...?

[viole]

Question -
If God were real ... and If we were all created by this God ...and if he was good and if he loved all the people that he created and his intentions and motives were perfect and He had our best interest in mind, would you follow him? And Why? if you don't mind

Sure. Why not?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Demonslayer]

God would have to actually appear and take all the speculation out of it, first of all. I have no respect for this hide-n-seek game. Either come out and show yourself, or you're not real. It's been my challenge to God since I stopped believing, same with billions of others through the ages I would imagine.

If God did finally get the stones to show up, my reaction would depend on what he said. What's he asking for? Is he showing up to say "I made this world and you must worship me for it?" That's blackmail. I didn't ask you to make it, and now I have to spend my life making certain chants and incantations and be your dancing monkey? If he says "worship me or I'll send you to eternal torturous damnation in fiery hell" I guess I would worship him, but then I'd be no more than a prisoner in a concentration camp. If he says "live in peace and harmony with your fellow humans, take care of the planet I gave you, and treat all life with respect and dignity" I'd comply with that in an instant.

Of course I already try to comply with that idea, sans any appearance from the non-existent UberDude, so I don't know what he'd really be adding.

It's a pretty broad question, one that I don't ever expect to have to face.

 

[Etritonakin]

God would have to actually appear and take all the speculation out of it, first of all. I have no respect for this hide-n-seek game. Either come out and show yourself, or you're not real. It's been my challenge to God since I stopped believing, same with billions of others through the ages I would imagine.

If God did finally get the stones to show up, my reaction would depend on what he said. What's he asking for? Is he showing up to say "I made this world and you must worship me for it?" That's blackmail. I didn't ask you to make it, and now I have to spend my life making certain chants and incantations and be your dancing monkey? If he says "worship me or I'll send you to eternal torturous damnation in fiery hell" I guess I would worship him, but then I'd be no more than a prisoner in a concentration camp. If he says "live in peace and harmony with your fellow humans, take care of the planet I gave you, and treat all life with respect and dignity" I'd comply with that in an instant.

Of course I already try to comply with that idea, sans any appearance from the non-existent UberDude, so I don't know what he'd really be adding.

It's a pretty broad question, one that I don't ever expect to have to face.

God had already written down how and when he will "show up".
He was more present/directly involved in earlier times, but it didn't do any good because we had no reference and were not yet prepared -but it was necessary to begin that which prepares us.
All that mankind has been learning is essentially about God (everything is essentially God) -as the things of God are apparent in what was made. He is simply less obvious at present.
All of our greater problems and issues require God -and that needed to be made clear.
Once it is clear, God will answer them and we will understand that he is necessary -and we will understand that he is who he says he is.

Christ will return just before we destroy all life on Earth -so it can be shown to be the result without him.
Then the kingdoms of the world will become his -and he will enforce and teach peace.

The armies of the Earth gathered in Megiddo to fight each other will turn to fight him at his return -and he will destroy them.
Then there will be great changes on Earth.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Mic 4:1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
Mic 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Mic 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Mic 4:4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.

 

[Quintessence]

Question -
If God were real ... and If we were all created by this God ...and if he was good and if he loved all the people that he created and his intentions and motives were perfect and He had our best interest in mind, would you follow him? And Why? if you don't mind

I presume you basically mean the god of the main monotheist religions - Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.

No, I would not follow it, because I am not interested in that god... much like I am not interested in reading romance novels or following team sports. These things do not appeal to me.

 

[Demonslayer]

God had already written down how and when he will "show up".
He was more present/directly involved in earlier times, but it didn't do any good because we had no reference and were not yet prepared -but it was necessary to begin that which prepares us.
All that mankind has been learning is essentially about God (everything is essentially God) -as the things of God are apparent in what was made. He is simply less obvious at present.
All of our greater problems and issues require God -and that needed to be made clear.
Once it is clear, God will answer them and we will understand that he is necessary -and we will understand that he is who he says he is.

Christ will return just before we destroy all life on Earth -so it can be shown to be the result without him.
Then the kingdoms of the world will become his -and he will enforce and teach peace.

The armies of the Earth gathered in Megiddo to fight each other will turn to fight him at his return -and he will destroy them.
Then there will be great changes on Earth.

 

[truelight Mike]

But what does Jesus command us to do?

Nothing but good!

All God wants is good!

Jesus commandment IS to love your neighbor as yourself!

I understand that Jesus has been demonized because of the actions of professing "Christians" but surely we can see through that and see what Jesus said and did and separate real Christianity (.01%) from false "christianity" (99%).

Read the "Sermon on the Mount" again and see what He requires of us. It is for us to do good, to forgive and to love

 

[truelight Mike]

God would have to actually appear and take all the speculation out of it, first of all. I have no respect for this hide-n-seek game. Either come out and show yourself, or you're not real. It's been my challenge to God since I stopped believing, same with billions of others through the ages I would imagine.

If God did finally get the stones to show up, my reaction would depend on what he said. What's he asking for? Is he showing up to say "I made this world and you must worship me for it?" That's blackmail. I didn't ask you to make it, and now I have to spend my life making certain chants and incantations and be your dancing monkey? If he says "worship me or I'll send you to eternal torturous damnation in fiery hell" I guess I would worship him, but then I'd be no more than a prisoner in a concentration camp. If he says "live in peace and harmony with your fellow humans, take care of the planet I gave you, and treat all life with respect and dignity" I'd comply with that in an instant.

Of course I already try to comply with that idea, sans any appearance from the non-existent UberDude, so I don't know what he'd really be adding.

It's a pretty broad question, one that I don't ever expect to have to face.

 

[Skwim]

But what does Jesus command us to do?

Nothing but good!

All God wants is good!

Which, of course, is why he created evil

Isaiah 45:7 (KJ)
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.​

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[Demonslayer]

Which, of course, is why he created evil

LOL

 

[truelight Mike]

The problem with text is it is pretty much impossible for 2 humans to agree to what it means.
I can't explain why that verse says what it does. (Although I have an idea)

Considering all the verses about God wiping evil out, you might consider there could be a context factor

 

[truelight Mike]

Which, of course, is why he created evil

Isaiah 45:7 (KJ)
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.​

.​

 

[Skwim]

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Seems I left you speechless. Sorry about that.

 

[truelight Mike]

The post above the quote was actually for you.

 

[Demonslayer]

The post above the quote was actually for you.

Oh man, I thought it was for me, now I feel left out.

 

[Etritonakin]

Hehehehehehehehehe

I understand how ridiculous it sounds, but I have been studying this stuff for decades, and for decades I have seen what is written would happen happen.

If you don't study it and don't know what to look for it will -as written -come as a thief in the night.

 

[Milton Platt]

What specifically in your life leads you to say God does not appear to exist?

Don't see my reply, so maybe I tapped the wrong key or something. Let me have another go at it.
The answer to your question is simple. A lack of empirical evidence and testable claims for, and a good deal of evidence suggesting the absence of, such a being.

If I may put a finer point on it, though, the claim that there is some sort of supernatural being that can speak things into existence and suspend the laws of physics on a whim (I am assuming you are some variety of Christian) is
just about the most extraordinary claim one could possibly make. Therefore, the evidence to support such a claim would have to be particularly extraordinary as well. And it just isn't. Sorry.

 

[Milton Platt]

Hehehehehehehehehe

I understand how ridiculous it sounds, but I have been studying this stuff for decades, and for decades I have see what is written would happen happen.

If you don't study it and don't know what to look for it will -as written -come as a thief in the night.

Care to support your claims?

 

[JustWondering]

But what does Jesus command us to do?

Nothing but good!

All God wants is good!

Jesus commandment IS to love your neighbor as yourself!

I understand that Jesus has been demonized because of the actions of professing "Christians" but surely we can see through that and see what Jesus said and did and separate real Christianity (.01%) from false "christianity" (99%).

Read the "Sermon on the Mount" again and see what He requires of us. It is for us to do good, to forgive and to love

I have to agree with Demonslayer, why brainwash myself into believing in an entity that may not even exist? Common sense is all that's needed to understand that being good to others is necessary for any society to even function. Don't need an absent deity to figure that much out.

As for Jesus's commandments, didn't he say that slaves should be obedient to their masters? Would a moral person endorse slavery? Would a good person endorse slavery? It would appear that my concept of what is good differs from your Deity's concept of what good is. You can also spare me any attempts to paint slavery as something done for the slaves own good and they weren't mistreated. I've heard that nonsense from apologists before and that's what it is, nonsense.

 

[Milton Platt]

But what does Jesus command us to do?

Nothing but good!

All God wants is good!

Jesus commandment IS to love your neighbor as yourself!

I understand that Jesus has been demonized because of the actions of professing "Christians" but surely we can see through that and see what Jesus said and did and separate real Christianity (.01%) from false "christianity" (99%).

Read the "Sermon on the Mount" again and see what He requires of us. It is for us to do good, to forgive and to love

Too much supposition here, don't you think???
You are assuming that Jesus is something other than perhaps a Bronze age Jew. You need to demonstrate that he is more than that, and then you have so demonstrate that the book you are quoting from is anything other than fables and myths. Nobody even knows for sure who wrote the short stories in it.

 

[Skwim]

The post above the quote was actually for you.

Just as an FYI, if your post isn't to your liking, as in you screwed it up somehow and you want to make it more coherent, you always have the option of deleting it and starting over.

The problem with text is it is pretty much impossible for 2 humans to agree to what it means.
I can't explain why that verse says what it does. (Although I have an idea)

Actually, as you no doubt know there are plenty of Biblical passages that plenty of people agree on. And this includes the claim of god that he did indeed create evil.

Considering all the verses about God wiping evil out, you might consider there could be a context factor

So what do you think this says about the Bible in general? A book that was supposedly constructed under the watchful eye of god, but is so ambiguous in places that it can't be trusted. I say passage X means this and you say it means that because it's simply not clear, or more likely than not contradicts some other passage in the book. In this particular case, you find it extremely difficult to believe that god really created evil as Isaiah 45:7 tells us. Truthfully, I don't know how you can reconcile the two notions. All of which calls into question the veracity and value of the Bible. Why hasn't god stepped in and made his word clear? Why allow his believers to wallow in uncertainty? Of course with such a variety of disparate passage the believer does have an orchard for cherry picking. Picking out just those scriptures that support his particular beliefs and ignoring those that don't. Doesn't say much for the basis of the Christian faith, but then I don't think many Christians give it much if any thought. "What I don't know won't hurt me."


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